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maxikot 7th September 2019 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by holy_arrow (Post 3306436)
Where is Engerize performance guys ??? It isn't included in the DVD, is it ?

Sadly it doesn't seem to be.

attractive nausea 7th September 2019 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AJFmzk (Post 3306421)
Just went though my copy of the blu-ray really quick, just a few seconds of each song and it sounds like they did a great job with the editing. Judging from the way the vocals sound nicely corrected and not super robotic, I'd guess they used melodyne or something very similar since it sounds like they kept the dynamics and wave curves pretty close to what they were live, but obviously mixed properly to make the overall dynamics more consistent. They definitely worked with the live tracks since her voice sounds hoarse and tired, but they cleaned them up as much as possible without them sounding really weirdly and obviously edited.
I haven't watched the whole show yet so there could be editing problems, but from a quick look everything looks and sounds pretty good.

I wonder why they didn't just take her voice from the 6th april and copy/pasted it on the 7th april video footage lol I know it's not that easy to do but it could have been better than keeping a tired voice.

Chris85 7th September 2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3306447)
I wonder why they didn't just take her voice from the 6th april and copy/pasted it on the 7th april video footage lol I know it's not that easy to do but it could have been better than keeping a tired voice.

Right, they never do this. They could've done this with vocally failed CDLs as well.

hidekirby 7th September 2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3306447)
I wonder why they didn't just take her voice from the 6th april and copy/pasted it on the 7th april video footage lol I know it's not that easy to do but it could have been better than keeping a tired voice.

Because it wouldn't work properly. It is not that simple, it would be a nightmare to even try.

It's much more easier to correct her voice. Moreover her voice from the previous show should also be corrected so...

mi|kshake 7th September 2019 05:54 PM

Thanks for the reviews guys! I watched the live broadcast only so looking forward to watching the Blu-ray!

_dandy_ 7th September 2019 10:27 PM

I'm truly impressed. Amazon Japan sent me an email on Tuesday saying the Blu-ray had shipped, and I had it on Friday here in Canada.

Why some orders from other shops who sell through Amazon take weeks, or even months, I don't know.

Anyway, the disc is being ripped as I'm writing this. I only play copies to preserve my original purchases.

Chris85 8th September 2019 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 3306456)
Because it wouldn't work properly. It is not that simple, it would be a nightmare to even try.

It's much more easier to correct her voice. Moreover her voice from the previous show should also be corrected so...

It's definitely possible. When they released video of Stade de France concert of Mylène Farmer they used audio from previously released live CD recorded at a different venue for most songs. They couldn't use the original audio only for the ballads, because they were sung differently with emotions and all.

hidekirby 8th September 2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3306473)
It's definitely possible. When they released video of Stade de France concert of Mylène Farmer they used audio from previously released live CD recorded at a different venue for most songs. They couldn't use the original audio only for the ballads, because they were sung differently with emotions and all.

Of course It's definitely possible... but it's A LOT of editing work. In Ayu's case I think they did what's best (I mean it's not like her voice performances were great nowadays).

ExodusUK 8th September 2019 11:23 PM

Someone here could probably do it in a day without proper access to the raw content. Avex/Ayu simply don't care enough to mislead us to that extent. The only difference I've noticed in the editing style over the year is that the closeups aren't as frequent - could be to hide editing/sync issues or because they're not as flattering to Ayu.

AJFmzk 9th September 2019 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by attractive nausea (Post 3306447)
I wonder why they didn't just take her voice from the 6th april and copy/pasted it on the 7th april video footage lol I know it's not that easy to do but it could have been better than keeping a tired voice.

I think they actually did do that for a few small pieces of some songs, for example part of me and maybe FLOWER. But they can't just copy and paste wholesale, it wouldn't look right and you can't cut away to dancers or audience every single time it's a discrepancy, it would be really obvious and really bad. In fact, it was super obvious they cut away to audience to fix her mistake in microphone. Editing the 04.07 vocals was definitely the right choice. I guess the better choice would've been to just use the 04.06 show as a whole, especially since we already got a live and edited broadcast of 04.07, that would've been more interesting. But it really is a lot of work to properly mix and master, just think how many mic inputs that was, between Ayu, Yongae, Timmy, the choir, Bonten and A-Strings. You have to EQ, compress, level etc for everything, and pitch correct Ayu on top of everything else without making her sound robotic like CDL2015-2016 or having bleed on the vocal track making the instrumentals sound weird. It would be a lot of extra work if you were to try to put the 06 audio with the 07 visual. They would have to stretch or compress the timing of her vocals to match the discrepancies or make obvious cut aways. I think they made the right compromise here, using little snippets of 06 to fill in gaps with lyric error, or more dramatic off pitch stuff that wasn't as bad on 06. I suspect they did this for FLOWER, because it sounded amazing, but maybe they just did a great job with the editing. It's hard to tell the difference since we didn't get a broadcast of 06.

Also if they did end up switching out the entire soundtrack for a different day, I'd feel somewhat cheated, since they put 04.07 on all the promotion and packaging. I remember when people were suspecting she did it for CAROLS and or momentum in CDL2013-14, using vocals from a totally different year. I don't know if it's true, but it feels a little like I've been cheated if it's true. It's one thing to edit, it's another thing to replace. At least in my eyes. There's something to be said about quality, for sure, but I personally prefer as authentic as possible, even if it's imperfect, as long as it's not ear-bleeding bad. I don't mind pitch corrected live vocals that make it listenable without cringing (for example in Brillante and FLOWER, I think they did a good job) but I don't like re-records or noticeable swap outs.

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Originally Posted by holy_arrow (Post 3306436)
Where is Engerize performance guys ??? It isn't included in the DVD, is it ?

It's on the TeamAyu website, I can confirm at the least for the global-fc one. There's a popup banner at the bottom of the site with a link to "Special Movie Energize" You have to log in to be able to access the video page. I think it's there only for a limited time, but I think someone from here ripped it and put in the downloads section.

Chris85 9th September 2019 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AJFmzk (Post 3306525)
Also if they did end up switching out the entire soundtrack for a different day, I'd feel somewhat cheated, since they put 04.07 on all the promotion and packaging.

Ayu is someone who doesn't mind lip-syncing several songs per concert, so replacing vocals for DVD isn't more serious cheating than that IMO. Pitch-correction is a form of cheating as well, so why not cheat a little bit more?
Also she barely improvises, so some songs won't suffer from replacing vocals at all, the lip movements should be fine.

hidekirby 9th September 2019 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3306520)
Someone here could probably do it in a day without proper access to the raw content. Avex/Ayu simply don't care enough to mislead us to that extent. The only difference I've noticed in the editing style over the year is that the closeups aren't as frequent - could be to hide editing/sync issues or because they're not as flattering to Ayu.

In a day yes... If you want an awful result.
Believe me it's really not that simple! AJFmzk explainded it pretty well. ;) (thanks!)

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Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3306529)
Also she barely improvises, so some songs won't suffer from replacing vocals at all, the lip movements should be fine.

It is easier and less obvious to lip sync than replacing an entire audio. Even if she doesn't improvise (like at all) you'll notice something is off and doesn't work. Move the sound by 2 frames and it's off. Unless they spend weeks on editing with obvious cuts / weird angles. :yes

AJFmzk 9th September 2019 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris85 (Post 3306529)
Ayu is someone who doesn't mind lip-syncing several songs per concert, so replacing vocals for DVD isn't more serious cheating than that IMO. Pitch-correction is a form of cheating as well, so why not cheat a little bit more?
Also she barely improvises, so some songs won't suffer from replacing vocals at all, the lip movements should be fine.

Fair point about the live lip syncing, and yes I do feel somewhat cheated when it's a live show for there to be lip syncing. Is it better to lip-sync one or two songs and have a better overall live vocal for the rest...maybe, but it bothers me. I understand her reasons for doing it, whether it's to save vocal strength or to keep up with the dancing, but I think I disagree with the tactic, tho maybe it's a little unfair to judge when I'm not playing large venue tours 3-5x per year. It's just the principle of it that bothers me.

I agree that some songs would be fine, and they might be able to get away with replacing some whole songs. They replaced some of the wrong lyrics in part of me with what I assume is from 06. The audio sounds fine, the cut aways seemed a little awkward to me, since it feels more natural to focus on her in some of those moments. And if they do it to the whole show it'll become very obvious. Maybe most people won't look too closely and won't realize it. That's totally fine. I often ruin movies for myself because I used to work in the industry and I can't stop analyzing and finding flaws or something else to take me out of the moment. I can only speak for myself when I say I don't like it and it feels like product swapping. The pitch correction is technically cheating too, but unfortunately Ayu does need it if she's selling the concerts, you can't have Brillante sounding the way it did live on the dvd, I do still live in reality and sometimes it's a necessity.

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Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 3306533)
In a day yes... If you want an awful result.
Believe me it's really not that simple! AJFmzk explainded it pretty well. ;) (thanks!)

Thank you. I have some experience in professional audio engineering and mixing, so I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. In the past I've spent days tweaking a single song if not longer. Granted I'm not a seasoned professional at it, I am very new to it, but my mix was well received by the mastering engineer who has worked on big name records so I feel comfortable enough to at least offer my take on it. Again, I am no means a super expert at it, but I have some work experience in the field.

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Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 3306533)
It is easier and less obvious to lip sync than replacing an entire audio. Even if she doesn't improvise (like at all) you'll notice something is off and doesn't work. Move the sound by 2 frames and it's off. Unless they spend weeks on editing with obvious cuts / weird angles. :yes

If you're lip-synching live you have to practice it in front of a mirror or camera until you get it exactly right. If you want to "reverse engineer lip-sync" with a different audio track, you'll have to take the time to finesse it properly just like practicing for live lip-syncing or it won't look right. Can it be done convincingly? It sure can, but it takes a lot of time and focus and money.

RealLight 9th September 2019 07:38 PM

General DVD Charts:
Day 1: #2
Day 2: #4
Day 3: #4
Day 4: #7
Day 5: #2
Day 6: #8

Music DVD Charts:
Day 1: #2
Day 2: #2
Day 3: #3
Day 4: #6
Day 5: #2
Day 6: #6

Music Blu-ray Charts
Day 1: #7
Out of the charts for the rest of the week

LOGMAN 10th September 2019 02:38 AM

So the DVD is selling well but the blu-ray isn't?
I hope that doesn't influence further blu-ray releases.
Though I was amazed we even got this one.

Aderianu 10th September 2019 11:07 AM

How come in 2019 dvd sells better than blu ray


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https://i.imgur.com/bYjdQIQm.jpg

RealLight 10th September 2019 07:47 PM

1st Week

General DVD Charts:
Day 1: #2
Day 2: #4
Day 3: #4
Day 4: #7
Day 5: #2
Day 6: #8
Day 7: #5

Music DVD Charts:
Day 1: #2
Day 2: #2
Day 3: #3
Day 4: #6
Day 5: #2
Day 6: #6
Day 7: #5

Music Blu-ray Charts
Day 1: #7

Cahz- 11th September 2019 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3306606)
How come in 2019 dvd sells better than blu ray


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https://i.imgur.com/bYjdQIQm.jpg

It sold more than Arena Tour 2016 A ~M(a)de in Japan~ (8,815 copies first week) :shakehead :love

Corvina 11th September 2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3306657)
It sold more than Arena Tour 2016 A ~M(a)de in Japan~ (8,815 copies first week) :shakehead :love

10,335 are the combined sales of DVD and Blu-Ray.
It sold 6,601 copies of DVDs and 3,734 copies of Blu-Rays.
Made in Japan sold around 13,000 in combined sales first week, so about 3,000 more.

mi|kshake 18th September 2019 01:41 AM

My copy arrived today, yay! Can't wait to have a chilled day and watch it. Think I might save it for my days off.

mi|kshake 26th September 2019 12:58 AM

So I finally watched the Blu-ray and whilst it looked amazing and I loved all the little adlibs in the songs but...I found myself really missing the band. Great show but I hope the band does make a come back soon.

artcika 26th September 2019 01:20 AM

The concert was amazing! But same, I missed the band too~ Especially the rock part with Yo-chan.

_dandy_ 28th September 2019 07:18 PM

> Especially the rock part with Yo-chan.

That reminds me--I wanted to post about this...

There's plenty of Ayu video compilations on YouTube...10th anniversary...15th...20th...etc...and while some of these can rival (or easily exceed in some cases) Avex's own promotional material in terms of polish, why is there not a single compilation on YouTube of Yo-chan just rockin' out during Ayu's concerts? He can play these *amazing* guitar riffs during interludes...why has no-one (more talented than I) ever put together a nice compilation of him doing what he does best? The material is all there on the various concert discs...

That would, well...*rock*. :-)

LOGMAN 4th October 2019 02:18 AM

Yo-chan is the best. I was watching a movie the other week and was so happy when he appeared, having a guitar duel with another person. It was great!

kendelle 8th October 2019 01:34 PM

That's such a cool idea :) I don't think I'm the one talented enough to do it justice but I'd like to try when I have some free time! I really miss the old days of Enrique and Yo-chan together.

truehappiness 9th October 2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3306606)
How come in 2019 dvd sells better than blu ray


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https://i.imgur.com/bYjdQIQm.jpg

The fanbase in Japan seems like they all still have DVD players and not BD players. It's also why CD+DVD is still the 'prime' version of releases among CD/CD+DVD/CD+BD too if it's even an option.

ExodusUK 11th October 2019 06:44 PM

Ayu's Japan fans are too young or poor to have blu-ray?

Norrel 12th October 2019 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3308102)
Ayu's Japan fans are too young or poor to have blu-ray?

What an assumption.

For context, this is the same country where fax machines are still widely used, and it's nothing to do with poorness.

The simplest answer for why DVD still reigns in Japan? Most likely - people just don't have any feasible reason to upgrade, so upgrading would be excessive/unnecessary.

truehappiness 12th July 2020 08:18 AM

I don't recall if it was ever mentioned but did they ever state who photographed the cover for this release? If not, can someone who owns the BD/DVD check who is credited? I know Masayuki Kamo was credited for the booklet pictures but not sure about cover photography.

Toniayu123 12th July 2020 10:18 AM

^ I think it was Shimoko

truehappiness 12th July 2020 11:54 AM

I thought so as well, but I just wanted to make sure.


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