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Originally Posted by maikaru
But I really gotta agree with many people against SunshineSlayer. I feel most of the time, you only say bad things about the Ayu of right now, and say this is lipsync, that is lipsync, etc. I always expect it from you to come in at the perfect time and say 'this is the lipsync, dont even tell me its not.' It's not enough that it's your opinon, you gotta have to create it into some kind of law, and try to tell others that they are wrong saying its not lipsync, or whatever.
Also, maybe sometimes people dont wanna have a rational conversation about Ayu. Sometimes, they just love something so much that they wanna overlook, and I wanna do that a lot too. I dont want to have someone force their own opinions into me, saying how bad she is, how she always lipsyncs, and if she sounds good, it must be edited.
And I read that you didnt mean that if she sounds good in TV live then it must be edited, but you did say that you wonder if the reason why CDTV was not live was because she's afraid of vocals, and if you say that, doesnt it imply she will edit that vocal too?
I wanted to say that for a long time now, to stop trying to make everything into a fact that she has not improved at all from 2007 - 2008 countdown, how sucks she is, how she always lipsyncs, etc, because it just pissed everyone off... try to make things sound more non-confrontational and not looking for a fight, because thats how it sounds, when you always complain about something and put  ... thanks. |
I usually try to keep out of these discussion, but I feel like I have to get in at SunshineSlayers side here.
First of all, she is not saying everything ayu does is bad, most people just love to overread everything positive she says and stick to the negative only, because a majority of this forum seems to hate people with opinions different from theirs to an extent in which they, instead of ignoring them or putting them or their ignore-list, attack them.
She "forced her opinion on others" way less than the people telling her she is wrong all the time.
Also, whenever she says she
suspects a performance to be playback there is a reason to it. Be it her own experience when visiting one of her concerts(she visited Japan for ayu more than once, so I'm pretty sure you could call her a fan and not a hater), a performance that sounds
very much like like a previous one, the absence of mic-noises when performing with a head-mic, overdone mouth movements, concert reports, just feeling(trust me, when you watched and visited many concerts you get a sense for what's playback and what's live, you just notice it without being able to prove it in any way) or others.
Sure you can't talk her to think a performance she says is playback instead is live, you wouldn't let somebody talk you to think an obviously live-sung performance was playback either, right? So it's the same everybody here does, but when somebody with your opinion does the same you don't mind.
And sometimes when ayu
very obviously playbacked(PCDL ANGEL'S SONG, AT09 EnergizE) she sure will express her opinion in a more direct way, because it sometimes is shocking how people do NOT notice and stick to saying ayu sung live, sometimes even saying ayu ALWAYS sings live, which we all know is not true.
Another thing: When a performance for TV or radio is prerecorded, the chances of it being edited are 95% at least, they will definitly run an auto-tuner over it fixing all the off notes, because that takes a few seconds and has big effect, it can even be done live for a few years now, the devices doing that live are spotted in more and more concerts.(I remember a 2003 or 2002 report of a britney spears concert saying there were 3 of them on stage for example) and probably often are backstage so people don't see them.
Also, I don't know if I get you right, but are you implying that SunshineSlayer said ayu hasn't improved from CDL0708? I don't remember her ever saying that and I'm pretty sure she hasn't because CDL0708 was a special case, being a few days before or after her completely losing the hearing on one ear.
And I think we all agree that ayus vocals in the past ~2-3 years have generally been around the same level with some ups and downs. And AT09 for a big part has been more towards the down side.
SunshineSlayer belongs to the few people on here that actually seem to have an opinion different from loving everything ayu does, to the few people that actually HAVE an own opinion on here.