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Originally Posted by emi♡
^No I think you're right. To relate it back to ayu...sometimes we see in the making ofs, how the photographers push her, and I think that sometimes it has a lot to do with what they get out of her.
I think a lot of people started hating on Shimoko after we saw him in the sparkle making of lol
but then...I also think that, this is not like a fashion shoot either.
How many shots are they shooting? How long are they shooting for? How well do Ayu and Leslie know each other. Ayu isn't a random fashion model either. She's Ayu, and Leslie is trying to pull from her a concept that SHE created (I'm assuming, that could be totally false).
I just think it's interesting, like you said, how people shift blame. I think Ayu knows that at the end of the day, it all falls on her. I also think that if people were to tell her "hey you need a new person to do this" She would defend to the death the people she's chosen around her, and would take the blame herself. idk. I think that's the right thing to do. That's what *I'd* do.
I kinda wish Ayu would do another big NTV interview for this era...random.
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emi♡: I think you're right, I think Ayu would take the blame and in a sense fall on her own sword. I will always love and respect Ayu but I just hope she realizes that if she wants to use the same people (composing for her, photographing her, directing her PVs, ect.) the work will need to be on a continuously "perfect" level, granted errors are always going to happen when deciding to go to the next level but they would all need to be capable of seeing those errors and learn from them and try again to do better and succeed or realize it isn't working and start again from the last point of "perfect" and start again.
From what I know fashion photo shoots can last a while, I was on one that went from 12pm until 10pm before but there are some that go pretty quickly. However I've yet to be part of one that hasn't been less than 3 hours so I would suspect that there's run just as long. It really all depends on the styling and wardrobe changes because all of that, wardrobe, hair, make up, nails all go on at the actual set. A good chuck of the time the photographer is already at the set and ready, I think sometimes the problem is that Leslie and Shimoko forget that Ayu isn't a model so there for a look that a model can pull off Ayu may not necessarily be able to pull of with the same effect.
also think that Ayu sometimes Ayu creates these probably awesome but very detailed concepts that the photographer or director instead of giving a more simplified suggest try to bring it all to life which can sometimes be a huge mess
We've also seen in the behind the scenes and making ofs that Ayu looks absolutely naturally beautiful and doesn't need a super ton of photoshop. Like I've said previously when you really REALLY photoshop a person who doesn't need much it can be a very bad thing.
I think it is a good idea for Ayu to work with new people but still be able to work with people she has previously worked with. She could also use the new people she is currently using or will use in the future and have them work with the people she has worked with in the past. I think it could result in something amazing or not. But at least some could feel Ayu was trying some truly different again. Just my own personal opinion.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with a bad photo, song, composition, fashion style every now and again. It's going to happen, it would be delusion to think it wouldn't. I think its how she should grow as an artist. I personally feel like Ayu has taken some missteps but she's slowly getting back to where she needs to be. It will take a bit but she'll get there. Once again that's just my personal opinion. Also a part of me wonders if her marriage and divorce have any part in some of her recent decisions because one came pretty suddenly where she could have been so happy that she had her mind on other things and then being in a whole different place know her marriage had fallen apart and she seems to have admitted she was to blame for most it in her lyrics and not really have her heart in much right now. I could be completely wrong.
I kinda wish I could tell her all this on twitter but I think it might sound a little rude and I really don't want to come across that way. Sorry if this all seems off topic.
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Originally Posted by RayJason
Still. The photographer is the one who foresees the 'final picture'. It's not like ayu's posing in front of the mirror where she can watch her exact facial expressions or something. The photographer should be the one who delivers the best final output if you ask me. Ayu is smiling way too wide in that picture, the photographer; Leslie sure could have redone that shot, they had the time for it. Perhaps ayu wasn't aware her mouth was that big and her head so misplaced lol. I don't know, or Leslie just finds those pictures hot and appealing or something.
I disagree, as photographer you definitely should pay attention to the model. It's not like he stands there to catch the best light and angles. I believe that he should navigate the model, not force her to pose on his way, but just instruction giving and such... You know, work together. Maybe that's what ayu and Leslie did, but it's not appealing to a lot of other people I guess.
We still have to see the large CD+DVD cover which was the most promising one! I wonder how she looks on that in high resolution. (tbh I fell for that picture, I found it superior and stunning, but after focusing much about it; I feel like she looks very old in that picture.
But I do like how you described this era for ayu, & era in the other thread. Until now I still thought the sad lonely Party Queen era was lingering, glad to have it gone from my thoughts tho. It was a not my fave era.
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RayJason: You are absolutely right, the photographer has to notice everything down the tiniest detail. When it comes down to the new covers on the 2CD Leslie might have taken a better shot that flattered Ayu more but she might have liked this one better, which in any case no matter how you look at it you have to give the client what they want (However if that's the case, it should have been heavily suggest that they reshoot it to perfect it because I do agree with some of things about the photo that bother people). I am excited to see a large version of 2CD + DVD but it looks really nice so far.
I think you're right in that fact that the sad lonely queen era may be passing and I think the covers kinda prove it. I just hope Ayu gets back to her normal self (but then again who am I to say she hasn't gotten to that point already). Sorry again if this is all off topic.