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Originally Posted by thinkingoutloud89
^Hmm well what you say is not wrong only very...well american? are you even from america? Stating a fact in such a narrow manner to me, and mostly to what s teached in germany, just show a lack of skills in certain departments and I personally find it really off-putting to read such strong opinions. The world is not black or white. Utada United was actually quite pleasent to watch...especially the song-choice. i never found Utada to be good performer to begin with, and overall, I never understood the hype to her music. The concert has pretty bad vocal control, especially in the beginning - but if you search for good vocals, j-pop is definitely not the area to search for - same goes for production value.
So I personally would have said something like: "Wel, the concert was not my cup of tea because I did not like this and that, but I can see why people enjoyed it" or something like that - which, at least gives a bit respect to the performing artist.
Same goes for rating music itself. Like I said in the Lady Gaga thread: each output of art is nothing you can rate with "good" and "bad" - its just very disrespectful to the creator of the content (and certainly something that gets more and more common within the internet (see youtube)). There a certain criteria - shifting form person to person off course - but in almost each piece of art or content is something that you can praise to a certain content without being a total douche (and that was not directed to you, just an overall impression). It is a skill you even learn in school, at least in most Europe, to sandwich your critique between two good statements.
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Though I very much agree with what you said about how opinions should be presented, I feel the need to defend my country (which is also very American, I know xD) Being strongly opinionated goes from person to person, not nation to nation. I understand America is
VASTLY known for our way of (not just shout) but literally throw our opinions in people's face and say it like it's a fact and not an opinion, I just felt that was... not necessarily an attack... but thrusting a label on like that was a little off-putting and a bit unnecessary. Zeke's always been that way. That's just who he is. Is it always nice? No. But that's just Zeke. And Zeke doesn't represent America. Zeke represents Zeke and who he is as a person, not how we all are as a nation. Heck, I've lived here my entire life and 98% of the Americans I've met are not so vocally opinionated as such. Most are very open-minded, accepting, and understanding, that, as you said, the world is not black and white. But every country has strongly opinionated people and not all of them are so nice about it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that by stating it like that sounded a bit harsh "Oh, you've a tendency to be rude and seem doltish. You're American, aren't you?" (That's me putting words in your mouth there, and I apologize. But that's how it read to me what you were saying in your first statement.) It's stereotyping. And no one likes to be stereotyped. Not you. Not me. Not him or her or they or them.
It hurt me personally a little bit, (someone who had nothing to do with this conversation, and, someone who, in the seven years I've been on this forum, has never once got in an argument with someone. Maybe a debate, sure. But everyone here debates.) especially because I agree with everything else you said. It made me go from enthusiastically going, "Yes, I agree." to kinda reluctantly going "...yeah, I guess I agree."
If you're mad at Zeke, please keep your argument pointed at him (Sorry, Zeke. I'm not trying to say EVERYONE AIM YOUR CANNONS AT ZEKE. It's just, you know, y'all were arguing) I mean, based off what your statement said, how would you feel if I said "You're not wrong, but you're acting a little pompous. Are you European?" Of course you wouldn't like it. Like I said, it'd be stereotypical. It's not fair to throw an entire nation into the gutter just because you're having a disagreement with one person.
