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Originally Posted by Louass
I haven’t posted in a while cause a lot of the comments here are so negative that it’s frankly a downer and don’t make me want to participate in conversations (I’m just here waiting for news about music), but I just had to say something bout this.
What’s wrong with her wanting to look good? It’s obvious she’s into fashion, and a lot of the time she fuckin works it. This poor woman can’t make the music she wants without y’all complaining, can’t keep performing like she loves to do without people talking shit, and now she can’t even wear the clothes she wants without y’all saying she’s like an old lady trying to stay cool? Lol. Let her be herself and do what she wants, jfc. Some of you should really consider moving on from Ayu is you disagree with everything she does.
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Originally Posted by love in music
Yeah honestly, I think as fans we should accept this is her. She likes dressing up and she likes fancy things. She may be relatable and down to earth in some ways but she's also superficial in others. She may be uncool in some ways but she's a badass woman in other ways. It's just who she is/has been for a long time now. I used to want her to be a certain way but realized that's super controlling and immature and had to check myself and think some fans should too..
Just like everyone else on the planet, ayu is not perfect, but she's an amazing person and should be shown more love and less hate/judgment, especially by her fans.
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I can appreciate people disagreeing or having an opinion on my comment about my opinion of Ayu's particular style over the last handful of months, but it's pretty immature to extrapolate that as though any similar comment, put in a way you think isn't funny, means we're hating or judging or shoving Ayu in a box or calling her names.
For all the talk about not being "super controlling" and "immature", these outbursts start with
you, not with me. And you're upset because you want me to not post things you don't want me to post. I can't imagine anything more "super controlling" than losing your temper at someone because they shared something in an open space that you believe should restrict people from sharing things you'd prefer not to see.
I've posted some pretty abrasive, pretty brass-tax things, but even with this post (which is SUPER mild from me), I even clarify, "I know you guys will hate me for saying this." I'm well aware that at least
one of you is going "to have to say something." Because like the scorpion that stung the duck as it carried it across the river:
it's just what you do. I cannot, for the life of me, understand people who believe they're entitled to burst outward at complete strangers if they communicate in shared space outside of some arbitrary scope of (a) acceptable or appropriate things to talk about, and (b) acceptable or appropriate
ways of talking about those things.
I'm totally fine with you wanting to keep an entire thread you've poured time into building or participating in, where it's clear that people can only share positive talk about Ayu. That's fine. But you're
here, in a forum where almost every topic is a back and forth of supporting and disagreeing opinions on
someone else's supporting or disagreeing opinion of Ayu. 90% of the things not posted in this specific thread are scandalous or gossip or "Ayu's new album debuts at #2, proves Ayu doesn't have fans." That's just what you should expect around here.
I want you guys to participate too. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I speak for a lot of people when I say that I also want that participation to be a part of the actual conversation. If you think I'm putting down Ayu because of her age then of course share that. But no one invited the character-shaming ("you're a hater/judgmental") or the long-winded tangents around how we never have anything agreeable to say about Ayu... as if none of us were or are
true fans? -- like because I think Ayu's style makes her appear much older than she is, I've just shown up here for 12 years to prepare to troll you
true ayu-stans who really
know Hamasaki Ayumi? To be fair, the majority of you can't speak to much of anything about the very unique impact everything Ayu wore, said, did, etc. had on the entire Japanese music/fashion/entertainment/social/cultural scenes prior to Party Queen. Without sounding rude, I'm just not convinced that you have some depth as a fan that those of us who have been around for 15+ years somehow never got in touch with, or somehow we just
let go all those years ago...?
I'm going to end my comments about this with saying I appreciate you showing up, I just wish you would have both done something meaningful with it. If the only reason you're posting is because some other post triggers you to "speak up" -- which is really just pushing and shoving a
person who posted because you think it's justifiably OK -- you're not bringing anything to the table about the
content/context of their opinion.
You can keep this up, but every single time somebody breaks one of your arbitrary limits on acceptable behavior, you guys
literally bully and gang up on people. And the pattern is everywhere: Multiple people end up posting the exact same post, that they
also think the
person who posted is negative/a hater/judgmental/angry/abusive/cruel/racist/misogynist/fatphobic/was never a fan... and on and on and on...
Imagine if you showed up somewhere and said something, and suddenly one or two or five people just started talking right in front of you, clear as day, about how
you're negative/a hater/misogynist/judgmental, that if you really
belonged here, you'd be
positive, like them, and how "people should just be positive and stop tearing others down... because that just means
they don't love their self." How would you feel if that entire conversation took over and it was the only conversation people decided to have for awhile?
It doesn't matter who you think I am, or why you think I posted my opinion. What matters is how
you participate here. If your participation is just rallying people to point at one person and suggest that they have some character flaw that makes them unfit to be here, you are in the least not adding anything to the conversation, and at the worst
you are bullying someone.
Anyway, my point about Ayu is that her style choice lately looks lazy compared to last year or the year before. I'm all for the comfort look, but I'm surprised there's not more planning than this behind the outfit she's wearing to the
first listen of new music in over 2 years. She's historically had more consideration given to the outfits she wears walking out of an airport. This whole outfit feels like something she just snatched quickly out of the closet and ran to the studio. Also, it's honestly baggy and shapeless. She looks like she's wearing a size or two too big or like a "big and tall" cut for that dress. It just doesn't sit right to me. Oh well, another thing to get used to. I just hope by album #20, she's at least throwing on a 2-day-old pair of jeans and throwing her hair in a quick bun before going on tour.