why "Maria"?

[Rebirthia]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I still think Ayu is representing Virgin Mary and not Mary Magdaline.

Reasons:

-Virgin Mary is much more well known worldwide, even for people from different religions. While Mary Magdaline, some christians don't even know about her so how would ayumi talk know about her like that?

-In the PV Ayu is in a wedding dress...ok so what does it matter? well the dress is WHITE! A girl who marries in white represents that she is VIRGIN. Thus Ayu is representing Virgin Mary (Nalso notice that she isn't marrying of course because she has no pair. The wedding dress was just a way to show Ayu is representing a virgin). And Magdaline was anything but virgin lol

-Ayu is praying in the PV. Most obviously to Virgin Mary and not for Mary Magdaline I've never seem someone praying for Mary Magdaline.

totally agree with you,

she's acting like virgin mary in the PV, not as the other Mary


I think that the verb flirting is very adequate to what she's doing with religious culture

I suppose she has only one religion, that of avex! LOL

[ElegantAyu]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I still think Ayu is representing Virgin Mary and not Mary Magdaline.

Reasons:

-Virgin Mary is much more well known worldwide, even for people from different religions. While Mary Magdaline, some christians don't even know about her so how would ayumi talk know about her like that?

-In the PV Ayu is in a wedding dress...ok so what does it matter? well the dress is WHITE! A girl who marries in white represents that she is VIRGIN. Thus Ayu is representing Virgin Mary (Nalso notice that she isn't marrying of course because she has no pair. The wedding dress was just a way to show Ayu is representing a virgin). And Magdaline was anything but virgin lol

-Ayu is praying in the PV. Most obviously to Virgin Mary and not for Mary Magdaline I've never seem someone praying for Mary Magdaline.

Mary Magdaline is actually very well known and is considered a savior in some smaller classes of catholicism and Christianity. Some people believe that she will become a prophet before christ returns. After all, she was one of the key people to find Christ's grave empty. And the angel called out to her directly.

There are anime series with Mary Magdaline in it with little mention of Mary wife of Joseph. Take Chrno Crusage: Rosette, the main female character, is the reincarnation of Mary.

But we can't know for sure what Ayu means unless she flat out tells us. I think it's up in the air for everyone.

[hanabiwings]

Hmm... I dunno. It makes sense that it was a story about Mary Magdaline that got her thinking along these lines, but it's not possible that she was praying to such a person. She's praying to the Virgin Mary in the song, known in Japanese Catholicism as "Maria" just as in Spanish and Portugese culture.

In my experience, the Virgin Mary is seen in Japan by non-Catholics and perhaps some Catholics as a deity of mercy. Popular culture associates her with love, though this is likely not the intention of any Japanese Catholic. I remember reading an article about Ayu's thoughts on the song and said something like she had regarded Mary as some holy person but then understood that she was a person as well.

Okui Masami sang a song called Maria some years ago on her album Her-Day and it mentioned "cross" and "love" as concepts along with a song-prayer to the Virgin Mary. Ayu's seems very much in line with this song as well. I think that she is seen as a deity of mercy by people in love. I could be wrong, but in my experience, this is the feeling I get.

The translators at Centigrade-J (http://centigrade.blandplanet.com/) said this on the song in their translation notes:

MARIA is the Christian Religion Holy Mother of Christ. The whole song is a prayer to MARIA to help Ayu find everlasting love in a world where that doesn't seem possible.

[CREATE]

well, i dunno much about Mary Magdalene, Virgin Mary nor MARIA because i'm not a christian myself, but i can tell from the lyrics that ayu is praying to MARIA [i dunno which one] about her love or sort of...

FYI
M is my all-time favorite ayu song, it's her first song that i heard, i've been listening to her since then

[Yarumi]

too lazt to read all these pages... but I don't see her singing to Mary Magdelene. Like alot of people have said... Catholics pray to Virgni Mary... plus I've heard if you are christian in Japan then you are Catholic... so Ayu could be Catholic... but at least it's more known than Baptist or Methodist, so she could have been educated or researched it in some way since Catholism is easier to come by than some other branches of christianity

chococii- Mary Magdalene is definately not Jesus's mother... now some do speculate that he married Magdaelene and had a child possibly (Davinci code and others) but none of that is proven... and VERY sacreligious to christians... but she is never been said to be his mother

[Shiso]

But please notice that THE LYRICS aren't THE PV!

Ayu's PVs very often don't match with the lyrics, so while the lyrics is about Mary Magdaleine, the PV is about Virgin Mary

[Rebirthia]

Originally Posted by Shiso

But please notice that THE LYRICS aren't THE PV!

Ayu's PVs very often don't match with the lyrics, so while the lyrics is about Mary Magdaleine, the PV is about Virgin Mary

perhaps! she has wanteed to make amix, but I don't think that she knows about that stories.... i think she is very busy "mending" her past.... the name of Maria is just a kind of cliche, she has not made a thesis about christiany, I suppose...

[Chrono]

hahaha...

i don't think it's a prayer to maria... it just doesn't feel like one

[ImpactBreaker]

ahha and how can you tell the difference? O_o;

[Chrono]

i can't.. plain feeling and intuition

M was for MARIA? o.o whos maria?

[voltron]

Originally posted by Ayufan11
M was for MARIA? o.o whos maria?

The virgin mary. The song is kinda like a prayer...she's singing to Maria. Maria is the first thing said in the song.

[Unimatrix Prime™]

Originally posted by voltron
The virgin mary. The song is kinda like a prayer...she's singing to Maria. Maria is the first thing said in the song.

Hmm..I remember hearing from someone a while ago that the song was actually for someone Ayu knew named Maria.. forgot where I heard that from

[Larisa-chan]

Originally posted by Unimatrix Prime™
Hmm..I remember hearing from someone a while ago that the song was actually for someone Ayu knew named Maria.. forgot where I heard that from

...er are you sure about that? I mean the PV takes place in a church, the musical rendition from the A ~Museum~ has like organ, bells, and choir sounds going on too (which sound VERY similar to the beginning of the song "Ave Maria").. and the lyrics have a line like "I'm praying now that this is my final love". I dunno, but it sounds like she's talking about the Virgin Mary to me ^.^****

[AfanforXX]

Yea, the song M is about one of the Marys of the Bible, not some book. She said it herself in an interview

[fantaisie.sign]

Originally posted by Larisa-chan
I dunno, but it sounds like she's talking about the Virgin Mary to me ^.^****

Mary Magdalene is what fans normally say, even though her costume in the PV relates more to the Virgin Mary in my opinion. Plus my friend who is a devout Catholic says that the lyrics and PV content are directed to the Virgin Mary, not Mary Magdalene. I agree.

. . . isn't this a bit off-topic?

[Unimatrix Prime™]

Originally posted by Chibinina4
Mary Magdalene, even though her costume in the PV relates more to the Virgin Mary in my opinion.

That's the name I heard! I used to think it only related to the Virgin Mary, because of the church, the cross, the outfit, etc. , but then I thought that Ayu's probably not Catholic, so that kinda threw me off for a while ^^

[Chireresu]

Mary Magdelene, isn't she the women who Jesus saved that commited adultery?They were going to stone her if memory serves me right.And, I don't remember where, but I read that M does refer to the Virgin Mary and Ayu wrote the song because a friend told her the story of Mary and Jesus.

[fantaisie.sign]

That's the name I heard! I used to think it only related to the Virgin Mary, because of the church, the cross, the outfit, etc. , but then I thought that Ayu's probably not Catholic, so that kinda threw me off for a while ^^

But the lyrics still have nothing to do with Mary Magdalene, and this is coming from someone who knows "The Book" fairly well. I won't explain why it's not Mary Magdalene because it strays too far away from the topic of this thread.

If the picture posted at the beginning of the thread really is legit, then I'll continue to believe along with a few others that "G" stands for "Game" and possibly another song whether it's one that begins with a "G" or a remix of "Game." That's what speculations are for. ^_^

[jerms]

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...ht=virgin+mary