why "Maria"? - Page 3

Unimatrix Prime™ · #1 14th April 2004, 04:34 AM

Ahh..I see now... sorry for going off-topic

Guess my mind has been thinking of a lot of things lately (moving, etc), so I'm surprised I didn't remember this from before

Ok..back to the topic at hand..

miruku · #2 16th April 2004, 09:00 AM

well..... whatever M stands for~ i'm sure ayu has her reasons..

A little thing off topic,
I read in an article a few days that now the McDonalds Logo, the BIg golden M arch logo is more famous than the Chrisitian cross

kournikova · #3 16th April 2004, 12:37 PM

wohohohoho ^^ i think even its bout mary magdalaine... but its a prayer song... but its depend of everyone perception

my perception could be different to others

waffle_chic · #4 17th April 2004, 11:38 AM

i read somewhere that ayu wrote "M" after her friend told her the story about the virgin Mary. They were talking on phone, as i remember. Ayu inspired by the story and she wrote the song. it's what i know

extepan · #5 29th October 2004, 03:54 PM

i have always wanted to ask this, and now i have the answer..in fact i have two answers...and i have to make up my mind which one to believe

evolution · #6 29th October 2004, 05:16 PM

Maria definitely refers to mary magladene... she said it in one of the interview.. if u actualli read the da vinci code, some parts of the book talks abt in the drawing of the last supper, jesus and mary magladene together forms a letter "M" in the drawing, and thus the name of the song "M" ..it;s an interesting book btw
there is this myth that mary and jesus were actualli lovers... and such... that;s the idea of the whole thingy..
i;m pretty sure Maria refers to mary magdalene

SunshineSlayer · #7 30th October 2004, 01:09 AM

I also think it is refering to Mary Magdalene. Yes, there is the bible rendition that says Magdalene was a prostitute but, there are many people that believe she and jesus were married. Thus the PV and the lyrics do then fit with Mary Magdalene more than the virgin Mary imho.

Also to answer someones question about whether people worship Magdalene in churches and what not. The answer is yes, there are several churches in Europe, especially in France that are devoted to and named after Mary Magdalene.

Piccolo · #8 30th October 2004, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution

Maria definitely refers to mary magladene... she said it in one of the interview..

What Interview? I'd like to see that please.

When I heard the song, watched the PV and read the lyrics I thought Maria was the Virgin Mary.

Rebirthia · #9 3rd November 2004, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Piccolo

What Interview? I'd like to see that please.

When I heard the song, watched the PV and read the lyrics I thought Maria was the Virgin Mary.

yes, which interview?

starr5245 · #10 30th October 2004, 06:26 AM

do you know that some of Ayu's songs have the same title as hitomi's songs?

E.g.: poker face, I am.

extepan · #11 30th October 2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by opal tanya cho

do you know that some of Ayu's songs have the same title as hitomi's songs?

E.g.: poker face, I am.

that is not a surprise. there are so many songs called 'love' or 'goodbye' and similar things

kenkamken · #12 1st November 2004, 06:31 AM

um... O.o I got lost with accouple paragraphs..and now im double LOST....Um...(*Confuesed & Scared *) Um...What should i DO?!!?!!?!?! (*-*) so she IS or ISNT referring to a religion mary, or just a chick name'd mary? .. lol... or wait, mabe shes in the church becazuse she wanted to be, and so happends she liked a dress that look'd like a wedding dress, and thought it'd be cool, and probley she has a home gal thats name'd "maria", Hey it COULD happen...lol.. and pluss i wear a cross, and i aint catholic..Heh. I didnt even know that wearing a whyt dress means ur virgen..i just thought that it fitt'ed the senerio...lol
I feel so much smarter

................NAh...Still dumb..lol

kenkamken · #13 8th November 2004, 07:16 AM

what does "FYI" mean? and btw???

ricekid · #14 8th November 2004, 11:16 PM

If you think about the lyrics, she's saying there is someone she SHOULD have loved. Obviously, the Virgin Mary (I'm no theologian, btw) has never had any issue of love or anything. However, if Mary MAGDALENE was indeed in love with Jesus and we go by the catholic teachings, she never got the chance to truly love him.

I"m not christian/catholic btw...

Echiko · #15 9th November 2004, 05:40 AM

I didn't know that M had so much deeper meaning to it..=D

Kazuko · #16 9th November 2004, 05:44 AM

haha i was going to say because it was the name of my mother XDDD but i guess i was wrong

Catzi · #17 10th November 2004, 12:04 AM

I read somewhere that was about Mary Magdaline, but I don't remember where....

chibi_sunny · #18 16th November 2005, 12:25 AM

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why "Maria"?

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For a brief moment I was going to say that I've heard the name "Maria" in a lot of J-pop songs, but now only two come to mind (Ayu & hitomi). Anyways, is there some religious aspect to these songs? I've read translations for both of them and "M" sounds like it has a bit more spiritual influence in comparison to hitomi's "Maria", does Ayu refer to the Virgin Mary in "M"? Cause, in a way, it sounds like she's praying...

Close, but i heard that Ayu wrote this song when she first heard Mary Magdelene's story (she was not Jesus's mother. This Mary was the prostitute). Ayu was greatly inspired by this story, especially about love and heartbreak, and that's why she wrote "M".
i also dont think that Mary Magdelene and Jesus were in love...O_o...that just sounds wrong. And the Da Vinci Code was never meant to be taken seriously...Moreover, wasn't the person sitting next to Jesus in the Last Supper the disciple John? (though it wasn't directly said in the Bible). Yeah, i just happen to remember certain parts of the Bible.
Anyway, a change of subject:
Did you also know that "M" was gonna be named "Bliss"? But it was changed for the purpose of the song's meaning.

Hazard · #19 16th November 2005, 01:37 AM

Ah, in regard to Ayu's religion. Just becuase she wears a cross, doesn't mean she's Christian. The cross is mostly just a fashion statement. After all, American's wear the Egyptian ahnk and the Tao yin yang, but have little knowledge of the religions they're connected with.

As far as the meaning of 'M'. Well, the letter obviously stands for 'maria' a common Japanese spelling of the name Mary. I, too, believe that Ayu is referring to Mary Magdalene, and not the Virgin Mary. My reasons are basically the same as those already stated.

kendelle · #20 16th November 2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazard

Ah, in regard to Ayu's religion. Just becuase she wears a cross, doesn't mean she's Christian. The cross is mostly just a fashion statement. After all, American's wear the Egyptian ahnk and the Tao yin yang, but have little knowledge of the religions they're connected with.

As far as the meaning of 'M'. Well, the letter obviously stands for 'maria' a common Japanese spelling of the name Mary. I, too, believe that Ayu is referring to Mary Magdalene, and not the Virgin Mary. My reasons are basically the same as those already stated.

Exactly what I was going to say!

Just because it has religous meaning in the west doesn't mean that Ayu is wearing it for religous purpose.

There could be a reference or allusion towards the story, but since Japanese-English translations are so liberal, and can be interpreted so many ways, it's almost impossible to make an absolute guess. This conversation is sort of like a Japanese person trying to find the hidden meaning behind an American band wearing an Ankh necklace, or a shirt with Buddah on it. We'll never know the truth unless we sit Ayu down and ask her personally.