Who is Maria?

Larien · #1 20th April 2009, 05:50 AM

I'm sorry if this has been brought up/discussed before (and I'm sure it has, but I searched the forums and didn't find anything), but do we know who "Maria" is? The church theme makes me think of the Joan of Arc theme she used in a photobook, and in the cover of Free & Easy, but I could be wrong about their relation. Does anyone know for sure?

pommy48 · #2 20th April 2009, 05:56 AM

it's virgin mary, but some people say Mary Magdalene

actually there's 2 thread already talking about this~ or just talking about M

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...hlight=M+maria
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...hlight=M+maria

Larien · #3 20th April 2009, 06:07 AM

Agh, I don't know why those didn't come up before! Thank you!

Polyrhythm · #4 20th April 2009, 06:08 AM

The bartender down on Baldwin Blvd.

Lady_Eowyn · #5 20th April 2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xheartstation

The bartender down on Baldwin Blvd.

LOL

And as Impact breaker said, i do believe is Virgin Mary , correct me if i'm wrong, but i think Ayumi is (kind of) saying a prayer in this song

SURREAL__RAINBOW · #6 20th April 2009, 06:35 AM

I'm sure its Maria the mother of God.

Ayu'Kiss · #7 20th April 2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW

I'm sure its Maria the mother of God.

the mother of Jesuschrist you mean

(sorry, just to make it clear)

jon_the_d · #8 20th April 2009, 07:48 AM

^ some do say

"holy Mary , mother of God"

Jesus was God too don't forget. the holy trinity and such....father son and holy ghost. all are god.

anyway, my point is, religion is blurry, and view points are manifold. it's impossible to be picky with it.

Ayumi_lover · #9 20th April 2009, 08:09 AM

Maria was only strong woman for Ayu as Joan d'Arc was, so don't think Ayu christian^^

C+R+E+AYUMI · #10 20th April 2009, 08:31 AM

oh my my,it's clear!!

it's holy Mary, mother of Jesus Christ!

it couldn't be Magdalene Mary, because she prays Mary and it would be impossible to pray Mary Magdalene...!

Andrenekoi · #11 20th April 2009, 09:15 AM

Mary Magdalene is a saint... So, it IS possible to pray to her... =)

zyoeru · #12 20th April 2009, 01:01 PM

^ Exactly. The love that Ayu is singing about isn't a problem you'd pray to Jesus' mother about.
But yes, I have to agree even if you believe in the trinity, Virgin Mary still isn't God's mother. God has no mother. ROFL.

But yes, I believe she's singing about Mary Magdalene, because as Adrenekoi pointed out: Mary Magdalene is a saint. She's the saint of quite a lot.

C+R+E+AYUMI · #13 20th April 2009, 01:37 PM

mmmh..I am catholic but, honestly, I never prayed Mary Magdalene.
Did Someone of you really do?

chloeM · #14 20th April 2009, 02:09 PM

yeah... it was the mother of jesus... i adore her~

Andrenekoi · #15 20th April 2009, 06:55 PM

from wikipedia:
Patronage apothecaries; Atrani, Italy; Casamicciola Terme, Ischia; contemplative life; converts; glove makers; hairdressers; penitent sinners; people ridiculed for their piety; perfumeries; pharmacists; reformed prostitutes; sexual temptation; tanners; women[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene =)

panda♥ · #16 20th April 2009, 08:50 PM

Wow, Virgin Mary makes perfect sense.

I can't believe I've never thought of that.

***ImpactBreaker*** · #17 20th April 2009, 08:54 PM

Yeah, i'm quite positive it is Virgin Mary. Remember ayu is wearing a white wedding dress on the M PV? It represents "virginity".

There are a lot of other reasons why it is Virgin Mary she's talking about and not Mary Magdalene (check my posts on the previous threads).

Catholics, which is actually the religion that prays for saints, don't often pray for Mary magdalene THAt often either. (brazil is the biggest catholic country in the world and I've never sseem anybody here EVER praying to Mary Magdalene to be honest). They often pray a lot for Virgin Mary, which is what ayumi is doing in the beggining of the PV (praying, and then Mary[ayu, on the PV with the wedding dress] appears in her prayers and grant her some light for her contemplative thoughts).

Andrenekoi · #18 21st April 2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Yeah, i'm quite positive it is Virgin Mary. Remember ayu is wearing a white wedding dress on the M PV? It represents "virginity".

There are a lot of other reasons why it is Virgin Mary she's talking about and not Mary Magdalene (check my posts on the previous threads).

Catholics, which is actually the religion that prays for saints, don't often pray for Mary magdalene THAt often either. (brazil is the biggest catholic country in the world and I've never sseem anybody here EVER praying to Mary Magdalene to be honest). They often pray a lot for Virgin Mary, which is what ayumi is doing in the beggining of the PV (praying, and then Mary[ayu, on the PV with the wedding dress] appears in her prayers and grant her some light for her contemplative thoughts).

Latin americans pray a lot for Mary, way more than catholics from other continets... Even so, I read some time ago that Saint Anthony is the most popular saint... So... it's hard to say how much people prays to Mary Magnalene, after all, she have the patronage of women...

But I don't think is she either... I only think that the only person that knows for sure which Mary is the song about is Ayu herself =)

The atention payed to each saints depend a lot on where you are =)

***ImpactBreaker*** · #19 21st April 2009, 05:42 AM

^Well, I believe only catholics pray to saints (can't remember any other christian religion that has "saints" but maybe I'm misinformed). Brazil has the largest population of catholics in the world. nobody here prays to Mary Magdalene and it's a fact here. People massively pray for Virgin Mary here, far more than to Saint Anthony. Not sure about the other catholics in the world though.

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

The atention payed to each saints depend a lot on where you are =)

I know. In Japan, in which the christianity rate is kinda low, MARIA is a short name they often use to refer to Virgin Mary. Several times have I see references in Japanese stuff (non-ayu related) about Virgin Mary and Jesus. Practically never about Mary Magdalene.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...me.php?id=3772

C+R+E+AYUMI · #20 21st April 2009, 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=ImpactBreaker;1910109]^Well, I believe only catholics pray to saints (can't remember any other christian religion that has "saints" but maybe I'm misinformed). Brazil has the largest population of catholics in the world. nobody here prays to Mary Magdalene and it's a fact here. People massively pray for Virgin Mary here, far more than to Saint Anthony. Not sure about the other catholics in the world though.[QUOTE]

I think you're right. I live in Italy, the fatherland of catholicism and here every city, every small town or village, adores a Saint and organizes celebrations dedicated to him. For istance, one of most known italian city in the world, Venice, celebrates Saint Marc.
In the post above the translation of what I found in italian version of wikipedia.