ARENA TOUR 2009 A ~NEXT LEVEL~ setlist and pictures [II]

[njanjayrp]

^ I don't mind her lip syncing on occasion, I just find it annoying that we need to "discuss" it over and over~ endlessly. And while we're at it, I still find it amusing that people claim they can actually assume anything from that clip. I also find it silly that it was even brought up this time based on 17 sec. clip recorded with a mobile phone in which you can barely see and hear Ayu - the most logical thing would be that people simply want to believe she is lip syncing everytime she opens her mouth - that's annoying.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

^ I don't mind her lip syncing on occasion, I just find it annoying that we need to "discuss" it over and over~ endlessly. And while we're at it, I still find it amusing that people claim they can actually assume anything from that clip. I also find it silly that it was even brought up this time based on 17 sec. clip recorded with a mobile phone in which you can barely see and hear Ayu - the most logical thing would be that people simply want to believe she is lip syncing everytime she opens her mouth - that's annoying.

But that's not true at all - if it were, people would have cried lip synch for Rule too, but they didn't. You can at least tell something from the clip and give an opinion on it. If, as you are saying the clip can't be used as evidence - People here based on the clip are saying they think its live, so how is that really any different than people saying that based on the clip they think it isn't? The clip combined with the various comments about it being lip synched from reports makes me think there is a high possibility it is not live. The only reason that opinion becomes a big discussion is that people get overly defensive about it I think. Instead of just saying, 'oh, so reports say there's a good possibility its not live. Well, ok' and just move on.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But that's not true at all - if it were, people would have cried lip synch for Rule too, but they didn't. You can at least tell something from the clip and give an opinion on it. People here based on the clip are saying they think its live, so how is that really any different than people saying that based on the clip they think it isn't? The clip combined with the various comments about it being lip synched from reports makes me think there is a high possibility it is not live. The only reason that opinion becomes a big discussion is that people get overly defensive about it I think. Instead of just saying, 'oh, so reports say there's a good possibility its not live. Well, ok' and just move on.

I think you're failing to see the point - I am simply trying to say that you can't really base an opinion on that clip, you do remember that even with Over which we saw in, well, higher quality, we couldn't really tell if the video was off sync or if she was really lip syncing let alone this clip. We didn't start screaming "WOW her LIVE singing is so great" when we saw the clip. It was you people who wanted to point that she wasn't singing live.

I didn't say I think it was live, I just said that there is 0 proof that it wasn't. It's a live concert, don't you think it's only natural for people to assume it was live? Another thing is that I also find it natural for fans to be a little defensive and I don't mind being defensive at times, if it's something/someone I care about

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I think you're failing to see the point - I am simply trying to say that you can't really base an opinion on that clip.

But it seems that you also are forming an opinion based on that clip. Or do you really think that based on the clip you just can't tell one way or another that it is live? If that's the case, then that's fine. It seems thats what you mean

And as for Over, I never once thought the video was off sync. ^_-

And also, I don't see the problem with pointing out when something isn't live - it wouldn't actually be a real concert discussion thread if no one actually talked about stuff that is relevant to the concert. I agree, it doesn't always need to be a long discussion though but as I mentioned it usually only turns into one because people get too defensive about it when it really doesn't need to be that way imo. I just don't understand the need to get defensive in the first place. Yes, i totally understand the caring about something thing and I myself was like that back in the days that really 99% of the people believed she never lip synched, but now that everyone knows that sometimes she does, I don't see the need to get defensive when the possibility of it is brought up.

I think a few years ago, my natural inclination would be to think that everything is live. However, nowadays I've simply seen tooo many concerts and especially to many Ayu concerts to see that clip and actually think its live - especially when combined with the live reports. btw, tokyoxjapanxfan when are you going in October? Maybe we can meet at the show sometime.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But it seems that you also are forming an opinion based on that clip. Or do you really think that based on the clip you just can't tell one way or another that it is live? If that's the case, then that's fine.

And as for Over, I never once thought the video was off sync. ^_-

The second part of my previous post pretty much says that I didn't say whether it was live or not - "I didn't say I think it was live, I just said that there is 0 proof that it wasn't." You also mentioned blogs saying it wasn't live and we had people here who said they thought it was. Neither one of them is necessarily right. All I was saying is that we would need more solid proof.