Asian music VS. Western music (in terms of creativity)

[tanachu]

Originally Posted by evolution7931

Exactly!

Posting a .gif of Britney Spears isn't the best way to prove that Western > Eastern music. "Womanizer" isn't entirely original in this current wave of pop with strong beats and electronica sounds...

[evolution7931]

Originally Posted by tanachu

Posting a .gif of Britney Spears isn't the best way to prove that Western > Eastern music. "Womanizer" isn't entirely original in this current wave of pop with strong beats and electronica sounds...

Honey look at the gif a little closer.

Western artist performing her English song on TV in Japan. Influencing the masses. Never the other way around.

Live with it, honey.

[tanachu]

Originally Posted by evolution7931

Honey look at the gif a little closer.

Western artist performing her English song on TV in Japan. Influencing the masses. Never the other way around.

Live with it, honey.

So? Fame in America = instant fame everywhere, regardless of how talented you are or not. Look at the big picture. It's all about marketing, not talent, not to mention the pre-concieved notions Americans have about Asians which makes it hard to succeed in the States + having to change their music a lot to fit the US music scene to where it doesn't make them stand out at all. That's why Asian artists hardly make it in America. This is common knowledge...

As for Britney performance-wise, she's not half the performer she once was. Which is too bad, because that was one thing she could at least do well. Now? Not so much... And the Circus theme isn't all that original anyway, even certain Asian artists were using it before Circus came out.

Originally Posted by zyoeru

She's saying that you shouldn't use Ayumi as a sole example because Ayu doesn't fully represent Chinese music, Japanese music, Korean music, etc.

=/= means two things are different. Ayu is a part of j-pop, which doesn't make her irrelevant at all.

[ayumi.hamasaki]

Asian music

[AyuHamasaki01]

Asian music for sure

[Northerner]

Overall, I have to go with Western music, but then again I don't listen to a lot of Western Top 40 pop unless I'm in the car. Most of my favorite bands and artists are British, and the vast majority of those are from the electronic/new wave and indie categories.

I also listen to a lot of Slavic music (Ukrainian, Russian, ETC) because I love the way the languages sound. I'd still say these are "Western" artists as well, even though they're from the easternmost end of Europe. As for their style/creativity, I used to listen to a lot of cheap Slavic pop when I first discovered it, but now my tastes are closer to what I listen to in English but with a more "folky" flair.

To be honest, I think Asian pop is not inherently better than Western pop. ACO (a trip-hop singer) is my favorite Japanese artist, though I still do love Ayu's older albums and Namie is also pretty great when I want something truly "pop."

However, I do have to admit that I'd like the Western pop I hear on the radio a lot more if the lyrics weren't so dumb. It might be fun to listen to while driving or dancing, but I'm really starting to get tired of this "party rap" fad. It seems like everything played on American radio NEEDS to have a rapper to be a hit, and most of it makes women out to be pieces of meat. Now, I don't mean for this to turn into a feminist rant (or a discussion about the merits or non-merits of rap --- I listen to some local stuff on occasion), but it certainly does make me wonder if many of the English-speaking people on this board who say they prefer Asian music 100% do so because they want catchy and upbeat music without being distracted by the dumb lyrics!

[Andrenekoi]

^ Well, posting a Namie gif doesn't really help either, most of her music is as creative as Britney's...

[tanachu]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

^ Well, posting a Namie gif doesn't really help either, most of her music is as creative as Britney's...

That .gif is part of my signature, which appears under every post I make on this forum..

Not really. Britney Spears for the most part has only done pop. Namie at least has a more wide variety to choose from.

[rainydayumi]

lol the results really would be biased since we are in an ayumi forum..

i go for western music~ theres hardly any successful experimental artists in japan anyway.. and those who try to categorize ayumi under experimental should just jump of a cliff..

havent seen any japanese as creative as bjork, florence or gwen stefani.

[zyoeru]

^ RURUTIA, KOKIA, Hitomi Shimatani, Gackt, Yumi Matsutoya, Shéna Ringö.

[rainydayumi]

Originally Posted by Furashubakku

^ RURUTIA, KOKIA, Hitomi Shimatani, Gackt, Yumi Matsutoya, Shéna Ringö.

rurutia is just ethereal fancy pop, her song structures and vocals are all standard, kokia is just folk, hitomi shimatani is more of a pop artist these days, shiina is rock (cant stand her!!). these artists follow the standard song structure and vocal performances, so they're not really experimental.

i dont know about the others.

[zyoeru]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

^ Why did you spell Shiina Ringo's name like that? xD;

Cuz, on most of her releases her name is written either 椎名林檎 or Shéna Ringö.

Originally Posted by PaPaRatZi

rurutia is just ethereal fancy pop, her song structures and vocals are all standard, kokia is just folk, hitomi shimatani is more of a pop artist these days, shiina is rock (cant stand her!!). these artists follow the standard song structure and vocal performances, so they're not really experimental.

i dont know about the others.

I don't think that RURUTIA's vocals are at all standard, I don't think I've heard another Japanese artist with her whispering, raspy vocals. Her lyrics are ingenuous, even if her music is "standard structure".
KOKIA is folk, but you can't deny that her album trip, trip is VERY experimental.
Hitomi Shimatani still has that Spanish feel about her music that I've not really encountered much.
Shéna's music isn't JUST rock, take her new album Superficial Gossip, a lot of the tracks on there are barely rock and lean more towards jazz or swing, also her earlier music also has an experimental edge to it.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Furashubakku

Cuz, on most of her releases her name is written either 椎名林檎 or Shéna Ringö.



I don't think that RURUTIA's vocals are at all standard, I don't think I've heard another Japanese artist with her whispering, raspy vocals. Her lyrics are ingenuous, even if her music is "standard structure".
KOKIA is folk, but you can't deny that her album trip, trip is VERY experimental.
Hitomi Shimatani still has that Spanish feel about her music that I've not really encountered much.
Shéna's music isn't JUST rock, take her new album Superficial Gossip, a lot of the tracks on there are barely rock and lean more towards jazz or swing, also her earlier music also has an experimental edge to it.

Why don't u try listening to latin music instead of fake latin music then?

[hpg23]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Why don't u try listening to latin music instead of fake latin music then?

Why should he/she? "fake" latin music can turn out to be a great genre full of originality and as fun and enjoyable as any other.

In my opinion, both industries have their share of original, innovative artists (who are usually more on the indie side imo), and the mainstream part of it which is usually the same formulas that work over and over again. The J-Pop industry is full of the same old cliches and the same structures repeated a thousand times... you have the cute bubblegum song (Sakuranbo, Depend on You, Morning Musume's songs, Koi no Tsubomi, etc.), the overdramatic string ballad (Together When..., Planetarium, Kuroi Namida), the rocker stuff (Everlasting Love, Forever Love, SLAP THAT NAUGHTY BODY), the dancey stuff (WILD, BUT, TABOO, Sparkle...) and many other. The thing is, I prefer the japanese style of making music, even when heavily influenced by the american style, is different, and so is the marketing of the artists and the general aura of the industry, so at the end of the day, I prefer the asian industry hands down. But in terms of creativity, both are money-drived industries which will always do what the masses want.

[jbrat2219]

^ Why did you spell Shiina Ringo's name like that? xD;

[perfectodub]

honestly i don't believe in a global "western music"

germany pop music is different to england music ,north american music is totally different of central american music, and that is different to south american pop music)

maybe the USA music is similar with England music..but that's all i think.

and if we are talking about tradicional music...well... you have options as countries in the world

[zyoeru]

^ Because I'm not learning Spanish but I'm learning Japanese.

[Andrenekoi]

^Read a translation
There is nothing that Shimatani did with latin music that isn't VERY common on latin pop

[zyoeru]

^ Well, actually I do sometimes listen to this one guy...uh but I always forget his name. XD
He sung La Camisa Negra? XD

But I prefer Hitomi's vocals to most Spanish female vocalists I've heard. XD

[Andrenekoi]

^Juanes^^
Well, I just listen to what make sucess over here, so, I myself don't really know many singers (like... I listen to them on radio or something, but don't care about knowing who is singing)