You were... / BALLAD information and covers [IX]

[ayumisrael]

What does namie's album sales has to do with ayu's single's sales though? XD

And I'm glad that the double week and ayu's singles will be next week. She will 100% get #1 since kanjani8's 2nd + 3rd weeks are lower than ayu's 1st day sales. XD (specially when their singles are limited).
So yeah, no threat for ayu.

[FuNsTyLe]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

What does namie's album sales has to do with ayu's single's sales though?

Alot. If Namie sells good, alot of buyers might buy her album rather than this single. Also many people can't afford both, and might go for Namie instead because of the hype and good sales.
Of course all hardcore fans will buy Ayu's music anyways, but the target is always to get those maybe-people to buy it (just like in politics with undecided voters), to always reach more people. hardcore Ayu fans will buy anything she makes.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe

Alot. If Namie sells good, alot of buyers might buy her album rather than this single. Also many people can't afford both, and might go for Namie instead because of the hype and good sales.
Of course all hardcore fans will buy Ayu's music anyways, but the target is always to get those maybe-people to buy it (just like in politics with undecided voters), to always reach more people. hardcore Ayu fans will buy anything she makes.

I highly doubt it.
There are a lot of times where the both the album and singles of the same week are doing great, either with the album or single of the same week are great success.
The recent week for instance, namie's first week didn't hurt at all at masaharu fukuyama's first week single sales which was pretty great.
Even BoA's single kept on selling better than BoA usually does (I mean it outsold all of her own recent singles even if it wasn't a smashing seller itself) and namie's album didn't make more people than usual to lose interest in BoA's single and buy namie's album instead. So if what you say would be true it would mean that the maximum of the maximum BoA's single should sell like it usually what do with no more than the usual interest in her singles because those people would prefer buying namie's album.
And ayu's single will be released on Namie's album's 3rd week out so even more.
If a lot of casual listeners liked You were... & BALLAD or highly just one of them they will buy it.
The ringtone of You were... does really well on the recochoku legal downloads on the charts by far. It should do fine.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe

Alot. If Namie sells good, alot of buyers might buy her album rather than this single. Also many people can't afford both, and might go for Namie instead because of the hype and good sales.
Of course all hardcore fans will buy Ayu's music anyways, but the target is always to get those maybe-people to buy it (just like in politics with undecided voters), to always reach more people. hardcore Ayu fans will buy anything she makes.

You're presuming that both share a similar/same fan base, which is most likely far from being true, you could as well presume that the fans of all the boybands are the same people which would mean they are more than willing to spend their money on all those singles. It's obvious that You were... has no troubles attracting the casual listeners as the ringtone is still in top3 after a month since it's release. Another thing is that casual listeners rarely buy physical releases nowdays which means that those who are "undecided" will most likely just purchase the tracks digitally. In other words what you're saying makes little to no sense mostly because we have no idea to what extent do their fan bases overlap.

Just because we the non Japanese jpop fans listen to many female artists and that many female artists come in package for us that doesn't mean it's the same in Japan (in fact from what I've heard I am sure it's not).

[FuNsTyLe]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

You're presuming that both share a similar/same fan base, which is most likely far from being true, you could as well presume that the fans of all the boybands are the same people which would mean they are more than willing to spend their money on all those singles. It's obvious that You were... has no troubles attracting the casual listeners as the ringtone is still in top3 after a month since it's release. Another thing is that casual listeners rarely buy physical releases nowdays which means that those who are "undecided" will most likely just purchase the tracks digitally. In other words what you're saying makes little to no sense mostly because we have no idea to what extent do their fan bases overlap.

Just because we the non Japanese jpop fans listen to many female artists and that many female artists come in package for us that doesn't mean it's the same in Japan (in fact from what I've heard I am sure it's not).

Read my post once more... That is exactly what I wrote. It is not existing fans that are important in sales, it's capturing new audience, gather new listeners. And you can't really say Ayu and Namie don't have the same fans, how can you know? I bet there are alot of those 127 million people that like both Ayu and Namie.

Of course it plays a role whether your biggest competitor releases an album or single ther same time as you do, artits always try to avoid that, and it is for a reason. Namie's album has been out for some weeks, so I don't really see the competition with Ayu's single this time, just someone else mentioned it. Don't you think Ayu and her management are paying close attention to which other artists release music the same date she does? And I can assure you, they keep good count of Namie's sales.

Also, whether you purchase digitally or buy physical copies does not matter. The dough rolls in anyways.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe

Read my post once more. That is exactly what I wrote. It is not existing fans that are important in sales, it's capturing new audience, gather new listeners. And you can't really say Ayu and Namie don't have the same fans, how can you know? I bet there are alot of those 127 million people that like both Ayu and Namie.

I didn't say they do - I said there is no way to know. Namie's album will already be 2+ weeks old once Ayu's single gets out, considering that You were... is doing better than all the songs from PAST<FUTURE together on Recochoku, it's quite logical that an album that was released more than half a month ago won't affect the sales in any way especially considering it hasn't affected anyone else's sales so far. I am not even sure why would someone bring this up as it makes no sense...

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by FuNsTyLe

Read my post once more... That is exactly what I wrote. It is not existing fans that are important in sales, it's capturing new audience, gather new listeners. And you can't really say Ayu and Namie don't have the same fans, how can you know? I bet there are alot of those 127 million people that like both Ayu and Namie.

Of course it plays a role whether your biggest competitor releases an album or single ther same time as you do, artits always try to avoid that, and it is for a reason. Namie's album has been out for some weeks, so I don't really see the competition with Ayu's single this time, just someone else mentioned it. Don't you think Ayu and her management are paying close attention to which other artists release music the same date she does? And I can assure you, they keep good count of Namie's sales.

Also, whether you purchase digitally or buy physical copies does not matter. The dough rolls in anyways.

Reminding you that the company that release namie's CDs is avex trax.

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

We will just have to wait and see. If it does release in stores on the 29th, that will be the first time that I remember that something at the end of December was actually in stores on its release date only. Even if thats the case though, it will still at least somewhat hurt her sales due to the fact that not all record stores will be open over New Years (which is the entire reason why the releases show up a few days before). Luckily for her though, if it does get released the 29th and she loses a couple days of sales because of store closures, she doesn't really have any competition that week.

For how long will those stores be closed and how many of them?

I think at the moment that avex put the release date on the 29th and not on 01.01 (like for example kuroki meisa's mini album) to maybe emphasis that it will be in shops already on Monday which is the first day of the oricon week (sales that are shown on Tuesday) means it will have 14 days of the double week (and not naturally 13). So the single would have 3 days before those stores will get closed.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Reminding you that the company that release namie's CDs is avex trax.



For how long will those stores be closed and how many of them?

It really differs depending on the area and is obviously up to the descretion of each store owner/company. Historically, it used to be that many stores in Japan would shut down for several days the first week of January; everything other than essential stores like the grocery and stuff. Nowadays, especially with the economy they don't seem to close as much. Tokyo for example has a lot of stores back up and going after about 2 days. Outside of Tokyo I don't know, but they probably stay closed longer.

It seems the economy is really effecting the normal holiday though because on the Tower Records Shibuya site it says they will not be closing at all in Dec. or Jan.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

What does namie's album sales has to do with ayu's single's sales though? XD

And I'm glad that the double week and ayu's singles will be next week. She will 100% get #1 since kanjani8's 2nd + 3rd weeks are lower than ayu's 1st day sales. XD (specially when their singles are limited).
So yeah, no threat for ayu.

We still don't know if the single will show up on store shelves before the 29th. If it does, as it has typically been the case in the past in Dec. then that does not work in her favor.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

We still don't know if the single will show up on store shelves before the 29th. If it does, as it has typically been the case in the past in Dec. then that does not work in her favor.

But GUILTY for example was still released on Tuesday (and it was in stores a week before).
This time ayu's single isn't out yet so it most likely be in stores on next Monday/Tuesday and it will say that the double week starts.
Unless if it will be released on a random day.
I mean for what reason avex wouldn't take the advantage of the whole week if it starts this week and will be released after a few days?

GUILTY was releaed prior to its release date but it still had full 2 weeks and not a week +3-4 days.

Is there a way to notice/know soon if the double week starts this week or the next? =P

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

But GUILTY for example was still released on Thurstday (and it was in stores a week before).
This time ayu's single isn't out yet so it most likely be in stores on next Monday/Tuesday and it will say that the double week starts.
Unless if it will be released on a random day.
I mean for what reason avex wouldn't take the advantage of the whole week if it starts this week and will be released after a few days?

GUILTY was releaed prior to its release date but it still had full 2 weeks and not a week +3-4 days.

Is there a way to notice/know soon if the double week starts this week or the next? =P

Yes, the NINKI is for this week only, not for the two weeks. Therefore, the double week is next week

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

But GUILTY for example was still released on Tuesday (and it was in stores a week before).
This time ayu's single isn't out yet so it most likely be in stores on next Monday/Tuesday and it will say that the double week starts.
Unless if it will be released on a random day.
I mean for what reason avex wouldn't take the advantage of the whole week if it starts this week and will be released after a few days?

GUILTY was releaed prior to its release date but it still had full 2 weeks and not a week +3-4 days.

Is there a way to notice/know soon if the double week starts this week or the next? =P

We will just have to wait and see. If it does release in stores on the 29th, that will be the first time that I remember that something at the end of December was actually in stores on its release date only. Even if thats the case though, it will still at least somewhat hurt her sales due to the fact that not all record stores will be open over New Years (which is the entire reason why the releases show up a few days before). Luckily for her though, if it does get released the 29th and she loses a couple days of sales because of store closures, she doesn't really have any competition that week.