Lady Gaga vs. Ayumi Hamasaki... Who do you prefer?

[GRACE]

It's like attack of the trolls in here. Yeah, talent is factual. You can be incredibly talented and people don't like you. Those people who don't like it will generally claim someone is untalented simply because they don't like what they're hearing

Originally Posted by identity

yes, it is fact that she is talentless.
i've backed up my statement by why she's talentless. this makes it a fact.

No you haven't, you've whined that she's a ****.

[ayuni]

anyone can and compose/write songs if they try to do it GRACE.. it is just a MATTER of someone opinion if they liking it OR not . .in your opinion she is talented because yOu like the music she makes

other people don't, so to them she is not talented . .

talent is not fact , it is only your opinion . i hope you can get off of your high horse please GRACE!

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by ayuni

anyone can and compose/write songs if they try to do it GRACE.. it is just a MATTER of someone opinion if they liking it OR not . .in your opinion she is talented because yOu like the music she makes

other people don't, so to them she is not talented . .

talent is not fact , it is only your opinion . i hope you can get off of your high horse please GRACE!

Compose a song right now, and follow every rule of music.

[Andrenekoi]

Actually... if she is composing having as a objetive that people like and buy her music, and if people ARE buying her music... That means she is doing it right...

If she wanna do something and she can do this, she has talent to do this... Even if some people dislike it

[ayuni]

i do not know the rule on music.

the so many people who buy lady gagas cd find her to be talented . it is their opinion , the amount of people that are sharing this opinion does not make it fact .

so lady gaga does ? it makes her a smart girl , not talented . i can learn if i cared to !! but your out of luck because i do not care so much. good bye.

[ka♡ri.]

i like her album and her songs are catchy, but i wouldn't call myself a lady gaga fan. tbh, i'll probably forget about her in a couple months like the rest of the world. she's really superficial as a person and an artist. and that's s not something i can really respect. which is why i choose ayu.

plus gaga is really ugly. D:

[love in music]

Originally Posted by GRACE

It's like attack of the trolls in here. Yeah, talent is factual. You can be incredibly talented and people don't like you. Those people who don't like it will generally claim someone is untalented simply because they don't like what they're hearing



No you haven't, you've whined that she's a ****.

no, i haven't. she's untalented for many other reasons..
she's a terrible model, her fashion is strange and not appealing at all, she is a horrible performer and songwriter.
okay? those have nothing to do with her being conceited or too sexual

[Andrenekoi]

What make's her a horrible performer? She is a good vocalist, and not a bad dancer too...
Her fashion isn't meant to be used by people on every day life... They are stage outfits...

So... can't see your point here too... It's ok to not like her (I myself don't), but "talentless"?

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by identity

no, i haven't. she's untalented for many other reasons..
she's a terrible model, her fashion is strange and not appealing at all, she is a horrible performer and songwriter.
okay? those have nothing to do with her being conceited or too sexual

And like I've been saying, that's your opinion and it's fine, but opinion is not the measure of fact. Because if it was, then wouldn't all those people who call Ayumi a talentless hack be right and we be the stupid fans who for no fathomable reason like her?

[sparkle glitter]

Talent is subjective, which makes it an opinion.
GRACE, you need to get a clue.

[love in music]

Originally Posted by GRACE

And like I've been saying, that's your opinion and it's fine, but opinion is not the measure of fact. Because if it was, then wouldn't all those people who call Ayumi a talentless hack be right and we be the stupid fans who for no fathomable reason like her?

what you're saying here is that your opinion is fact, and mine isn't.
untrue. none of our opinions are facts. they are OPINIONS.

[ka♡ri.]

Originally Posted by sparkle glitter

Talent is subjective, which makes it an opinion.
GRACE, you need to get a clue.

lol ~

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by identity

what you're saying here is that your opinion is fact, and mine isn't.
untrue. none of our opinions are facts. they are OPINIONS.

I never once stated my opinion was fact. I stated that Gaga was talented, which is not an opinion. What's my opinion on Gaga? I think she's batshit insane. I think that she's not fully living up to her talent by doing rather mainstreamish empty songs. But, then you have the stuff she did before she became "Gaga," the stuff she did at Stefani Germanotta, which really showcases her talent a lot better then her Gaga work

[love in music]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I stated that Gaga was talented, which is not an opinion.

YES IT IS LOL
oh my god, it's useless now.

[sparkle glitter]

Yeah. He's not even worth it. I sincerely hope that he understands the difference between facts and opinions and just has too much pride to admit that he is wrong. People like him make me lose faith in humanity these days.

[Andrenekoi]

I can't talk about composing... but I can talk about her voice... she HAS vocal technique and is a good singer... not amazing, but she can sing better than most jpop singers (but this is not very hard), and I can talk about her fashion, and yeah... I don't like it, but is well done for what she wanna do with it... So, it's good, even if I deslike...

[brand new love]

thinking someone is talented will never be a fact. i could go around telling everyone that soulja boy is talented, but how many people do you think are going to agree with me? but it's ok, they're wrong because i like him, so my opinion is fact!

[Andrenekoi]

Talent can be a fact when you measure it by what the person produces... But most people don't really acept that something they don't like can be good or at last, very well done

[Kingdom]

ayumi hamasaki

[sparkle glitter]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Talent can be a fact when you measure it by what the person produces... But most people don't really acept that something they don't like can be good or at last, very well done

No, it cannot. Some people here come off as so uneducated. Thinking someone is talented is an opinion, never a fact.