Discussion: Ayu Critique

[rikku1994]

Originally Posted by yabieru

For God's sake, do you read what you write? You literally wrote:

"Does she really not hear herself well, since she can't hear in one ear, and she has started to lose her hearing in the other ear, so she can't hear how horrible she sounds, or is there no one who wants to tell her that this sounds very bad. Or does she hear herself but she doesn't care? I don't know. But it is impossible to listen to this song with enjoyment. "

THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL. Not only for Ayu herself (I repeat, a half deaf person) but all the people who can enjoy the song. It's far to only say "This is really bad". Some users nicely call you that your forms maybe are not the right ones and you, instead of thinking that maybe they are right, are only being defensive and telling people that they are too sensitive and can just block you. But if I said directly that you should shut up, you are the offended and I'm the rude one. That's funny

MTE. Like wow, the lack of empathy is unreal.

What's funny is that a lot of you say these "negative opinions" over and over again for literal years abt a sick woman every single chance y'all get, while knowing her current condition and as to why she sounds like how she is right now. When someone throws that same energy back at y'all then all of a sudden claim it's an unhealthy discussion, play the victim and make other fans who are defensive about her look like the bad guy.

Just because y'all buy her stuff, doesn't mean y'all are excused to say something so disrespectful.

Y'all preach so much about being able to freely express an opinion, but turn that as an excuse and act coy when other ppl state their opinions about your opinion. And no, I don't block because I want you to see what I think about your opinion. Some ppl on here may don't mind, but there will be ppl who will take offense as well, and if you can bring that negative same energy to the table then you should be able to take that as well

[KittyKathy]

Originally Posted by yabieru

For God's sake, do you read what you write? You literally wrote:

"Does she really not hear herself well, since she can't hear in one ear, and she has started to lose her hearing in the other ear, so she can't hear how horrible she sounds, or is there no one who wants to tell her that this sounds very bad. Or does she hear herself but she doesn't care? I don't know. But it is impossible to listen to this song with enjoyment. "

THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL. Not only for Ayu herself (I repeat, a half deaf person) but all the people who can enjoy the song. It's far to only say "This is really bad". Some users nicely call you that your forms maybe are not the right ones and you, instead of thinking that maybe they are right, are only being defensive and telling people that they are too sensitive and can just block you. But if I said directly that you should shut up, you are the offended and I'm the rude one. That's funny

Girl, I don't talk to rude people. Bye!

[M.A.X.]

Gosh guys take a breath and a cup of tea (or coffee). Everyone have an opinion good or bad that’s it. Some fans are frustrated, some of them really happy about new material and other don’t care. And so what? That’s life ! Personnaly I lovvee early ayu (and I know this age is over) and now I think her work is ok but not reaally awesome but this is Ayu. I love her, I wait patiently for new material with the secret hope one of them will be awesome. This is my opinion. Ayu is such a legend I understand some of you are not very happy about how turn her voice, arrangement and her damned new album. But the most important thing is all of us in this forum we love ayu. That’s it !

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by M.A.X.

Gosh guys take a breath and a cup of tea (or coffee). Everyone have an opinion good or bad that’s it. Some fans are frustrated, some of them really happy about new material and other don’t care. And so what? That’s life ! Personnaly I lovvee early ayu (and I know this age is over) and now I think her work is ok but not reaally awesome but this is Ayu. I love her, I wait patiently for new material with the secret hope one of them will be awesome. This is my opinion. Ayu is such a legend I understand some of you are not very happy about how turn her voice, arrangement and her damned new album. But the most important thing is all of us in this forum we love ayu. That’s it !

Well said

[rusuke]

Originally Posted by M.A.X.

Gosh guys take a breath and a cup of tea (or coffee). Everyone have an opinion good or bad that’s it. Some fans are frustrated, some of them really happy about new material and other don’t care. And so what? That’s life ! Personnaly I lovvee early ayu (and I know this age is over) and now I think her work is ok but not reaally awesome but this is Ayu. I love her, I wait patiently for new material with the secret hope one of them will be awesome. This is my opinion. Ayu is such a legend I understand some of you are not very happy about how turn her voice, arrangement and her damned new album. But the most important thing is all of us in this forum we love ayu. That’s it !

Totally agree with you! Even though I don't like the song, it doesn't mean I hate her. Honestly even though I don't like some of her releases (I repeat, some), and I'm not passionate as I was before, I can still say that she's still my most favorite artist up to now. I love her because of her works. Whenever there's new release or news about her, I go straight here because I want to know other fans' opinions. I love this forum even though we have different opinions'. (I don't know if I'm making sense now) ��

Edit: I just realized that this is another thread. I don't get why my first comment was moved here when it's about her song 23rd monster. Does it mean I cannot comment to her new songs that I don't like in the thread and just go directly here? Maybe "hate" was a strong word but then it just made me think. I'm not here for debate or something.

[koumori]

Originally Posted by rusuke

Edit: I just realized that this is another thread. I don't get why my first comment was moved here when it's about her song 23rd monster. Does it mean I cannot comment to her new songs that I don't like in the thread and just go directly here? Maybe "hate" was a strong word but then it just made me think. I'm not here for debate or something.

I put this into my original comment when I moved it, but I'll repost: "Since this is getting more and more engagement though, I'll be moving this discussion to a new thread so people can still discuss it if they want while not burying any fan commentary on 23rd Monster. Me moving this is not saying that critique was originally inappropriate for the news thread, but for this one to make sense, the entire conversation has been moved for ease of understanding."

Your post was absolutely fine and wasn't specifically bad, it just happened to spark a larger discussion that needed its own space. I hope this makes sense.

[rusuke]

Originally Posted by koumori

I put this into my original comment when I moved it, but I'll repost: "Since this is getting more and more engagement though, I'll be moving this discussion to a new thread so people can still discuss it if they want while not burying any fan commentary on 23rd Monster. Me moving this is not saying that critique was originally inappropriate for the news thread, but for this one to make sense, the entire conversation has been moved for ease of understanding."

Your post was absolutely fine and wasn't specifically bad, it just happened to spark a larger discussion that needed its own space. I hope this makes sense.

Thank you for clarifying. I don't know but I'm having anxious feelings as to why it was moved. 😁

[DavidChaiLatte]

Originally Posted by M.A.X.

Gosh guys take a breath and a cup of tea (or coffee). Everyone have an opinion good or bad that’s it. Some fans are frustrated, some of them really happy about new material and other don’t care. And so what? That’s life ! Personnaly I lovvee early ayu (and I know this age is over) and now I think her work is ok but not reaally awesome but this is Ayu. I love her, I wait patiently for new material with the secret hope one of them will be awesome. This is my opinion. Ayu is such a legend I understand some of you are not very happy about how turn her voice, arrangement and her damned new album. But the most important thing is all of us in this forum we love ayu. That’s it !

Agreed. The fact we even have such debates is a sign that we all still very much care about Ayu and are willing to spend our precious time to discuss about her.

[Aderianu]

I don't get all the hate to KittyKathy posts at this thread. I can understand them, but not the reaction. Please explain

As for half deaf ayu, if she learned how to sing she will be able to sing even completely deaf.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Aderianu

I don't get all the hate to KittyKathy posts at this thread. I can understand them, but not the reaction. Please explain

As for half deaf ayu, if she learned how to sing she will be able to sing even completely deaf.

That most likely wouldn't be true for a performance where she is not just there stanting still. Otherwhise, more capable singers than Ayu wouldn't need an audio return phone while singing.

Even if she actually sing amazingly well while standing still and concentrated on her sing, she would also be bashed for being boring on stage. Actually, this already happened on the past.

[BlackSilence]

Jesus, i haven't been on here for a few weeks and... What the hell happened? lol

Everyone is taking things WAY too seriously. O_O
Do people really dwell on this stuff?
I personally come here, get my first impressions out and move on, unless someone engages in a conversation, and even then, sometimes i can't even be bothered to respond lol

There's always someone complaining about someone complaining, someone complaining about people not complaining...like, 'c'mmon. lol This is ridiculous.

Most of the stuff is just petty things, individual opinions. It's not THAT often that people get into ACTUAL debates over stuff, like serious debates. The closes of it i've seen is usually just arguing over the wording of things. But it's so rare that someone just doesn't process what they say to the point where it literally sounds like an insult to Ayu or someone else... None's debating Ayu's work over here, it's just another argument on how someone didn't cherry picked their words lol You guys are failing lol

Debating opinions about music taste is pretty useless, you won't get anywhere with it lol People get too worked up on them. Does someone else saying they don't like something will impact how you love it? NO, so.... I don't like a lot of the classics that majority adores, and listen to a lot of stuff that others think is megh, does that mean it will make any difference in what i enjoy and what i don't? NOPE. So why does it matter? I'm not sure why some take other people's opinions as a personal attack.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. We can bark as much as we want about her work at the end of the day she's gonna do what she feels the right for her and there's nothing you can do about it. As soon as you realise that, it's like "ah, well...moving on!" lol

[Scorbunny]

if someone has a very thorough negative critique of whatever, I don’t mind reading it because it’s someone else’s shared thoughts I may find interesting.


It sucks her voice is different and I don’t like her material as much as I did in 2013 which was her peak for me but meh oh well. Lol I’m glad to be here

[Delicious n Bold]

My major issue with her music is her voice... the vibrato really annoys me lmao
Really just the vibrato. She can hold a decent note....
I’m trying to mimic her while singing and I’m like why are you doing this? It’s a stylistic choice but I don’t know why she’s gotta over use it. There is a time and place Legend A.

Also reading the comments... my goodness.
As for who this forum is aimed at.... well.... that’s a good question

[Chris85]

Sometimes I want YouTube's Honest Vocal Coach to react to her raw performances, although I suspect some things she would say as she already talked about screaming.