NINKI index for crossroad

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I'm not saying Ai Otsuka was trying to replace Ayumi or her archievments, but she was being marketed that way, anyway, as a replacement... The same way there's a huge hype about Lady Gaga being the "new" Madonna, for example

I think that the media is one the who actually made ai and all ayu vs. x the new ayu.
The nedia always made the "rivals'' or "new ayu" nonsense, rather than the company.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Yumsushi

I didnt realize you spoke for all Ayu fans.
Not a DBSK/JYJ fan by anymeans but bringing them up is sort of relevant since the suspension of activities announcement. Who knows if their fans will start buying their stuff like crazy; its unlikely but who knows. Anyhow, don't forget that Avex is relying on DBSK fans aswell to buy crossroads. The sudden increase in preorders upon the anouncement of JJ's involvement is proof.

I was saying that the Ayu fans who purchased her previous singles prolly couldn't care less about JJ appearing in the PV and that they will still get the single regardless of all the DBSK drama. And for the love of god, it's crossroad without S!

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

We also don't know how much of ayu's budget comes from Avex or from herself, do we? As she never stated "oh, Avex gave me this amount of money to do this, and this amount to do that!" Some of her huge budget videos are more on the ego trip side than as something with garanted profit, like Green for example... If Avex is pumping Ayu with money, I wonder why her recent concerts seen to have a bigger budget than her peak concerts, for example^^

Well since the majority of the money Ayu earns goes right to avex's bank account, I don't personally see that many motives for her to spend that much money on promoting something without seeing much of that money coming back where it came from. As for the concerts, I am guessing the sponsors play a large roll, but I personally don't think Ayu is paying out of her own pocket, but who knows. All I am saying that to avex she is still highly profitable, yet some day they will need someone to in a way take her place (learn loads of cash).

[Diego-kun]

I hope Ayu will get #1! 好きで､好きで､好きで｡ is being quite successful (it's been in 着うた® top 5 since it came out), while crossroad has flopped... No doubt it's gonna be a tough competition for the top spot

[Bigtop]

I'm quite nervous still because of the JYJ situation that popped up 24 hours ago...

[Andrenekoi]

^I would find it easier to believe if there weren't so many magazines calling Otsuka "The New Ayumi Hamasaki" when Planetarium got big at first xD

[AyuGAME]

i hate that many people still think that avex control MW sales...
for me it's not avex that control it...

but the japan fanbase, i believe when they know that MW is in danger, i think they unite and maybe buy 2 copies per person...and it's logic that she got high sales...

don't underestimate the power of japan fanbase...

that's my opinion...

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by AyuGAME

i hate that many people still think that avex control MW sales...
for me it's not avex that control it...

but the japan fanbase, i believe when they know that MW is in danger, i think they unite and maybe buy 2 copies per person...and it's logic that she got high sales...

don't underestimate the power of japan fanbase...

that's my opinion...

Some people just seen to think that Avex controls everything, everytime xD They created earth and sky above it...

[AyuGAME]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Some people just seen to think that Avex controls everything, everytime xD They created earth and sky above it...

LOL...yeah AVEX is like a GOD in this forum...

[AyUmIXx]

Originally Posted by AyuGAME

i hate that many people still think that avex control MW sales...
for me it's not avex that control it...

but the japan fanbase, i believe when they know that MW is in danger, i think they unite and maybe buy 2 copies per person...and it's logic that she got high sales...

don't underestimate the power of japan fanbase...

that's my opinion...

I hope so!
I want to believe Ayu's Japanese fanbase to help Ayu to be no. 1 on top chart with the 2 new singles!

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by AyuGAME

i hate that many people still think that avex control MW sales...
for me it's not avex that control it...

but the japan fanbase, i believe when they know that MW is in danger, i think they unite and maybe buy 2 copies per person...and it's logic that she got high sales...

don't underestimate the power of japan fanbase...

that's my opinion...

If you really believe that avex has nothing to do about MW's sales, then it's okay. As I said before, her hardcore fans were one big force to save MW. But if avex didn't make any action at all, I dun think MW would be saved in the end. Those goodies (buy 2 versions to get a poster blah blah, and buy all versions to get another blah blah) are baits to lure fans to buy more copies. The unusually boost from the last day sales was quite a miracle to me.

It's not only avex having this kinda power. All companies do. It's easy to see that by looking at those artists' No. 1 streaks as an example. They may not manipulate the charts (like... asking the employees to buy cds), but they had the rites to pick on dates that those who has no. 1 streaks will not face tough competitors. Those no. 1 streaks (including ayu's) are actually a joke to me sometimes. Of course B'z no. 1 streak is never broken, how can it be when they release singles are the time when there's no competitor at all? KinKi Kids can still have the Guinness World Records because their company making sure that they won't face Arashi or AKB48 or whoever that can bring them down.

Oh well anywayz... yeah that's just my opinion. I should close this debate again because I dun wanna turn this into an ugly argument . It will be my fault if it ends up like that .

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by bluegie

If you really believe that avex has nothing to do about MW's sales, then it's okay. As I said before, her hardcore fans were one big force to save MW. But if avex didn't make any action at all, I dun think MW would be saved in the end. Those goodies (buy 2 versions to get a poster blah blah, and buy all versions to get another blah blah) are baits to lure fans to buy more copies. The unusually boost from the last day sales was quite a miracle to me.

It's not only avex having this kinda power. All companies do. It's easy to see that by looking at those artists' No. 1 streaks as an example. They may not manipulate the charts (like... asking the employees to buy cds), but they had the rites to pick on dates that those who has no. 1 streaks will not face tough competitors. Those no. 1 streaks (including ayu's) are actually a joke to me sometimes. Of course B'z no. 1 streak is never broken, how can it be when they release singles are the time when there's no competitor at all? KinKi Kids can still have the Guinness World Records because their company making sure that they won't face Arashi or AKB48 or whoever that can bring them down.

Oh well anywayz... yeah that's just my opinion. I should close this debate again because I dun wanna turn this into an ugly argument . It will be my fault if it ends up like that .

Bad, bad, bad Blugie... u.ú (but I agree with u anyway xD)

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by bluegie

If you really believe that avex has nothing to do about MW's sales, then it's okay. As I said before, her hardcore fans were one big force to save MW. But if avex didn't make any action at all, I dun think MW would be saved in the end. Those goodies (buy 2 versions to get a poster blah blah, and buy all versions to get another blah blah) are baits to lure fans to buy more copies. The unusually boost from the last day sales was quite a miracle to me.

It's not only avex having this kinda power. All companies do. It's easy to see that by looking at those artists' No. 1 streaks as an example. They may not manipulate the charts (like... asking the employees to buy cds), but they had the rites to pick on dates that those who has no. 1 streaks will not face tough competitors. Those no. 1 streaks (including ayu's) are actually a joke to me sometimes. Of course B'z no. 1 streak is never broken, how can it be when they release singles are the time when there's no competitor at all? KinKi Kids can still have the Guinness World Records because their company making sure that they won't face Arashi or AKB48 or whoever that can bring them down.

Oh well anywayz... yeah that's just my opinion. I should close this debate again because I dun wanna turn this into an ugly argument . It will be my fault if it ends up like that .

Everything you're saying is true.
It's not a bad thing though (the part with the goods & gifts) it's just a strategy they had to use and it succeeded. So it's pretty cool. =D

[Max_ZZZ]

maaan, i'm so much more worried about L

[LacusClyne]

Originally Posted by bluegie

As long as kuu is the only "rival", ayu should be safe. Don't forget kuu is under avex as well, so it's easier for avex to "control" the outcome. I'm not sure about other rivals tho, since avex can't control them...

avex can control ayu's sales.... by adding more special versions and such... or.... the WORST WAY IS:
if they were really THAT desperate, they might just follow taiwan style and paid their own staff to buy their own artist's cd. Taiwan had this 'buying the chart' thing going on for years, that's why i don't trust their chart anymore.

Originally Posted by ayuky

Ayu will get number 1 for sure, I'm sure japan's overbearingly sick of kumi's innocent acts and ballads, especially when they're not good.

My, my....how polite you are.
Do you realise that japan actually love kuu's ballads. Her ballads are rated much higher then her upbeat songs among japanese's polls. please do your homework before typing.
And i happen to like kuu's ballads MORE then her upbeat songs, her ballads have higher play counts then the upbeat songs on my itunes.

[Kingdom]

Originally Posted by LacusClyne

avex can control ayu's sales.... by adding more special versions and such... or.... the WORST WAY IS:
if they were really THAT desperate, they might just follow taiwan style and paid their own staff to buy their own artist's cd. Taiwan had this 'buying the chart' thing going on for years, that's why i don't trust their chart anymore.



My, my....how polite you are.
Do you realise that japan actually love kuu's ballads. Her ballads are rated much higher then her upbeat songs among japanese's polls. please do your homework before typing.
And i happen to like kuu's ballads MORE then her upbeat songs, her ballads have higher play counts then the upbeat songs on my itunes.

don't feed that person's appetite, you're too good to give attention to someone like that.

I didn't know Taiwan did that, that's interesting. it's happened in Korea too.

[Beauty4123]

it's slightly lower than the 2 previous single NINKIs, but i wish ayumi all the luck for next week

[jbrat2219]

I'm having a hard time believing Avex is trying to kill Ayu's streak via Kumi because if they wanted Ayu to fail, they would have let her fail on her anniversary. A #2 album and a #2 anniversary single would sure knock Ayu off her thrown a lot quicker than Kumi could. Them waiting for the right moment to pin them against each other doesn't really make sense either. They could have done it any time before now if they were so desperate to end her streak. Hell, they would have pinned them against each other during MOON/blossom or if they really wanted to start a fight, against Kumi against L.

I also don't agree that they only depend on Ayu and she's the only horse they're riding. They have other artists that have made a hell of a lot more than Ayu since her peak. EXILE, Kumi, Namie, Tohoshinki, Ai Otsuka all have brought in a lot of revenue through out the years. Ayu is hardly the only one they depend on. But she is their most "prized possession." Having Ayu smash the record would only bring Avex bragging rights and maybe more money. They're not going to knock her down and risk losing money just so they can replace her with another horse to ride on. That makes no sense.

If she were the ONLY big artist at Avex, I'd understand. But she's not. They have a pretty large amount of them and they only get more and more every day it seems.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

I'm having a hard time believing Avex is trying to kill Ayu's streak via Kumi because if they wanted Ayu to fail, they would have let her fail on her anniversary. A #2 album and a #2 anniversary single would sure knock Ayu off her thrown a lot quicker than Kumi could. Them waiting for the right moment to pin them against each other doesn't really make sense either. They could have done it any time before now if they were so desperate to end her streak. Hell, they would have pinned them against each other during MOON/blossom or if they really wanted to start a fight, against Kumi against L.

I also don't agree that they only depend on Ayu and she's the only horse they're riding. They have other artists that have made a hell of a lot more than Ayu since her peak. EXILE, Kumi, Namie, Tohoshinki, Ai Otsuka all have brought in a lot of revenue through out the years. Ayu is hardly the only one they depend on. But she is their most "prized possession." Having Ayu smash the record would only bring Avex bragging rights and maybe more money. They're not going to knock her down and risk losing money just so they can replace her with another horse to ride on. That makes no sense.

If she were the ONLY big artist at Avex, I'd understand. But she's not. They have a pretty large amount of them and they only get more and more every day it seems.

I didn`t say they are planning to destroy her or something, only that they are trying to make her less powerful over the years... And I never said she is their only big star... but she is their face... and IMO they wan't her to be less powerful cuz the most important she is, the most power she owns over the label... this and the fact that as a product, pop singer aren't very durable

[Ranma Matsuri]

Mama Internet always says 'don't feed the trolls' guys. xD

[majrakun]

Jeez, was that trolling? Dammit, I'm still too new at this XD