Do you rule artists out?

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by Kanzaki88

^^
StrawbarisnowAyumi's definition/understanding of vk comes from what she's seen and heard. So... In other words: keep it nice. GRACE.

It's not my fault her definition was wrong, thats why I was helping her out.

[primavera♥]

Originally Posted by GRACE

>implying visual kei takes talent
>implying every visual kei artist doesn't sound identical
>implying a huge part of visual kei isn't the visual

Ontopic: Hello!Project, Johnnys, and YUI

I'm perfectly aware of what vkei is. I'm simply addressing those who judge it completely on image. I never said it wasn't an important facet of the bands. But one can't judge their artistry on that
So I don't see where you find my "definition" (although I didn't even define it) wrong.

Is it...so hard to understand that yes visual-kei does take talent and like anything else there is a large spectrum

And yes every v-kei band does not sound identical which is something I could even show easily. I would think its quite obvious *sighs*

Obviously they are (most of them) characterized by an androgynous style (which can differ in style from sub-gend bands). That is the genre. What is to be understood is that if there music still plays a large part in their careers. Vkei fans I'm aware of do not base their fav bands on which looks best. But who has their faorite music.
being characterized by something doesn't mean that is all you are

Are you at all a visual-kei fan or somewhat or intensively listen to any variety of the bands?

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by StrawbariSnowAyumi

I'm perfectly aware of what vkei is. I'm simply addressing those who judge it completely on image. I never said it wasn't an important facet of the bands. But one can't judge their artistry on that
So I don't see where you find my "definition" (although I didn't even define it) wrong.

Is it...so hard to understand that yes visual-kei does take talent and like anything else there is a large spectrum

And yes every v-kei band does not sound identical which is something I could even show easily. I would think its quite obvious *sighs*

Obviously they are (most of them) characterized by an androgynous style (which can differ in style from sub-gend bands). That is the genre. What is to be understood is that if there music still plays a large part in their careers. Vkei fans I'm aware of do not base their fav bands on which looks best. But who has their faorite music.
being characterized by something doesn't mean that is all you are

Are you at all a visual-kei fan or somewhat or intensively listen to any variety of the bands?

I used to listen to some visual kei back in the day(A bit of Dir En Grey, bit of AnCafe, there was another band but I stopped caring). But then I began to realize that they all sounded the same, and most of their appeal came from shock value over talent so I stopped.

imo, visual kei bands are like gateway musicians for American weeaboos who want to be "cool and edgy." Like any other phase, they're eventually grown out of.

[jbrat2219]

LEAH DIZON

I have severe irrational hatred for this woman beyond all comprehension.

[Kazeyomi]

MEG, some kpop girlbands I can't remember, LM.C and Dir en grey.

It's quite sad because LM.C and Diru were my favourites bands years ago (when I was a huge vkei fan). But I kinda agree with GRACE. 99% of them sounds almost the same and they're more concerned on their images than do good music nowadays. Except for Versailles, they're really talented. I may sound rude, but oh well it's just my opinion right? If some of you likes visual-kei music, it's alright for me ^^; no more drama please.

BTW I won't listen to Diru again because they disappointed me too much lately. I don't know why but they're not Dir en grey anymore. They sounds like a random american rockband now.
LM.C.. meh maybe I followed them just because I had a crush on Maya
MEG & kpop girlbands: BOOORING

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

LEAH DIZON

I have severe irrational hatred for this woman beyond all comprehension.

We could make a club!

I hate to say this, but I know its totally true of myself, I don't listen to singers that I deem ugly or plain. There is nothing worse to me. If I can't stand to look at them, I don't listen to their music. I also pretty much don't listen to any K-Pop, boy bands, visual bands and Namie Amuro. I do like the V-Kei bands SuG, The Kiddie and ViVid, but those are the only bands of the genre I like, and that's because I feel that they have something different about them. And, I also have a few songs by Namie in my collection.

EDIT: Oh, I totally forgot Utada Hikaru. I never like her music.

[Kanzaki]

Originally Posted by GRACE

It's not my fault her definition was wrong, thats why I was helping her out.

That's great, but the big diss of an image wasn't You could help without throwing that one out there. Although I'll admit Ayu's expression on it made me lol for a good minute or two

I just really want to keep the mood in this thread good. It's that kind of thread that easily get's closed down, because here we are talking about things we dislike, which often goes wrong and down the trashcan...

EDIT:

I've NEVER listened to Leah Dizon. Now the question remains, should I?

[KarenPang]

Originally Posted by Tom Punks

YUI just... gets on my nerves so much. :l

For one, she always has this look on her face like "I'D RATHER DIE THAN BE TAKING THIS PICTURE ARWRAWRAR"

And her music bores me to death; every song I've heard by her was dull and they all sounded the same to me. And I really dislike her voice.

Plus, I had a friend who was all like "Ayu SUX YUI is so amazing" and it really fueled my dislike for her.

lol well obviously you don't know YUI that well in the 1st place ~_~

She's camera shy in real life & she said that she doesn't smile as often as she used to , as she has this complex thought in her mind that it = making her face look fat

I have that in me as well

[primavera♥]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I used to listen to some visual kei back in the day(A bit of Dir En Grey, bit of AnCafe, there was another band but I stopped caring). But then I began to realize that they all sounded the same, and most of their appeal came from shock value over talent so I stopped.

imo, visual kei bands are like gateway musicians for American weeaboos who want to be "cool and edgy." Like any other phase, they're eventually grown out of.

I observe music a lot more deeply than to consider them all sounding the same. Diru, An Cafe, Versailles, Deadman, vistlip., The GazettE, 12012, Megamasso, Miyavi, SuG, Exist Trace, Serial Number, Glacier, Lolita 23q, Nightmare, Vidoll, Danger Gang, LM.C, Malice Mizer, D, etc etc. And the angura-kei MUCC all sound the same?
I definitely never realized this and probably never will. As easch band has its own characteristics etc etc that make them that band

A phase for you. I'm 15. idk what is a phase. I've only been listening to it for yrs. Bands come and go (ayabie). Members die (jasmine you). But this has not ended for me a bit
"American weeabos" makes it hard to take one seriously when they generalize vkei fans like that. Like any other artists I listen to them because I like their music. Their image has had a different personal affect on me.

Honestly considering its "rock" music and bands have a similar structure is the only way I can get that generalization of all bands

On another note. Non vkei rock bands would have to be just as similar sounding. All rock bands really
And if vkei bands are so similar I could honestly just say the kpop and jpop in general.

@koshka: can u really say they are more "concerned" with their image than many other artists? Its not like it really takes sooooo much thought and planning to have their image.
Considering were ayu fans here......anyway its sad u only followed them for your crush and not music. Maya is quite talented imo

@Kanzaki88: I apologize if the mood of the thread is sour. I don't no mean to come off so negatively. I'm in a very neutral mood right now really.
Its tedious discussing vkei in depth (or trying to) but I will reply to something I see if I find it necesary to share my opinion.

[Kanzaki]

^
No worries. I'm just paranoid that a big, bad mod will come down and blow down my little straw thread

[Yumsushi]

Mostly JE. I just don't get their appeal; especially that of Arashi's music. I actually heard about 3 of their songs and then gave up on them for life. An Cafe, Vidoll and Alice 9 and the like. I flew to LA for Jrock revolution and ran out of the theater when Alice 9 took the stage. Oh and Anna Tsuchiya...my god don't get me started.

But this....

Originally Posted by GRACE

I used to listen to some visual kei back in the day(A bit of Dir En Grey, bit of AnCafe, there was another band but I stopped caring). But then I began to realize that they all sounded the same, and most of their appeal came from shock value over talent so I stopped.

Dir en Grey sounds like An Cafe? Seriously? Did you actually listen to their music or are you just pulling names out of a hat to prove a point?

[primavera♥]

@Kanzaki88: ill be quite careful. If a mod needs to do cleaning here I request that they close the whole thread. Just what's unecessary.
It is a good thread topic really. so no more long replies. Polite and curt ones ill try

@Yumsushi: well there. More consise. I wonder too.

Hopefully I'm not being a shameful vkei fan lol.

[KarenPang]

well if you like VK bands & are real passionate in listening/supporting them , then sure continue to do so ! I don't find anything wrong if it's something that you enjoy listening to

I do admit that it's 1 genre that I don't plan to venture anytime soon but doesn't mean I don't listen to them , it gives me the right to shoot baseless comments on stuff that're not supported by evidence

[Kingdom]

Originally Posted by Kanzaki88

I've NEVER listened to Leah Dizon. Now the question remains, should I?

she has a few good songs (and by good I mean passable) but imo her voice is pretty bad because she doesn't have a strong live voice or range/pitch. her songs are hit (passable) or miss.

[Yumsushi]

Originally Posted by StrawbariSnowAyumi

Hopefully I'm not being a shameful vkei fan lol.

I like alot of stuff that falls under the VK category but I actually don't like the style of dress. for example, I actually thought Dir en Grey's VK era was absolutely ridiculous. I do like what MUCC did, Angura Kei looked pretty cool and was unique. Apparently D'espairs Ray are also VK. I really don't think they fit the bill because they don't wear lipstick and eye patches. So in the end of it all, I don't really care about what category the band falls under so long as the music is good and they're not dressed like fools (to me), lol.

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by KarenPang

lol well obviously you don't know YUI that well in the 1st place ~_~

If she's that self-conscious, she shouldn't be a famous singer in the first place. :l

It's all good though, I try to pretend she doesn't exist as much as possible.

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by StrawbariSnowAyumi

A phase for you. I'm 15. idk what is a phase. I've only been listening to it for yrs. Bands come and go (ayabie). Members die (jasmine you). But this has not ended for me a bit
"American weeabos" makes it hard to take one seriously when they generalize vkei fans like that. Like any other artists I listen to them because I like their music. Their image has had a different personal affect on me.

I lol'd SO ****ING HARD. Give it a couple a years sweetie, you'll understand what I mean when you exit puberty

[KarenPang]

Originally Posted by Tom Punks

If she's that self-conscious, she shouldn't be a famous singer in the first place. :l

~_~

she doesn't want to be famous in the 1st place . She started out as a normal busker in the streets where she played her music while sitting down with her acoustic guitar before being discovered in an audition

you think everyone's able to deal fame & fortune so easily as it might seem ? obviously not

It's all good though, I try to pretend she doesn't exist as much as possible.

er yeah whatever ~_~

I probably shouldn't visit here anymore , I don't want to argue over trival matters

[4minute Girl]

if she didn't want to be a famous singer she wouldn't be auditioning for a big label like sony in the first place... she can still sing and make music on the street corners if all she wants to do is sing and make music... maybe she wanted the money too

[Calico]

I don't like male artists that much...it's mostly their voices. OF course there are some that I love, but I never go out of my way to discover and listen to them. (So suffice to say I usually stay far away from JE)