[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~FIVE~ II - Page 6

njanjayrp · #1 19th September 2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brener

so far FIVE is the best selling mini-album in japan this year... correct me if im wrong

Sadly the mini album charts don't exist, so it's not important at all.

brener · #2 20th September 2011, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Sadly the mini album charts don't exist, so it's not important at all.

it counts in the album charts =)

HilaryDuffFanboy · #3 19th September 2011, 03:19 PM

Her album after her last EP sold 10% more than the EP.

Will be interesting to see if her next album (assuming it will be full length) will outsell FIVE.

TeamAyu2004 · #4 19th September 2011, 03:47 PM

^it better! Lol... I can't see Ayumi falling and falling lower in the sales charts... :*( lol.
But I would like to now how many legal downloads FIVE has... apparently Japan is the country with the most legal downloads in the world...

So I can see Oricon incorporating that into there charts soon... or they might become irrelevant?

isthisLOL? · #5 19th September 2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^it better! Lol... I can't see Ayumi falling and falling lower in the sales charts... :*( lol.
But I would like to now how many legal downloads FIVE has... apparently Japan is the country with the most legal downloads in the world...

So I can see Oricon incorporating that into there charts soon... or they might become irrelevant?

Looking at the ringtone charts FIVE seems to be doing really good digitally. 2 of the songs went to #1, one went to #2 and the others were top10 and top20. Remember she only performed on TV once!
That is very understandable, too, as FIVE seems to target casual fans and new fans and those are more likely to download the tracks they like than to buy the whole EP. Let's see how many songs go gold...progress probably will, with LOTS of luck and maybe another tv performance beloved or ANother song could go gold, too.

isthisLOL? · #6 19th September 2011, 08:05 PM

I wrote "it's perfect to get new fans", not "it's perfect".
And how can progress be the weakest of her epic rock songs when she isn't even doing a rock song in it? It's far more anison than rock really except for the guitar solo. The melody is very anison, so is the arrangement.

The general public wants generic, Ayumi took a step into that direction with FIVE.
And honestly while far from my favorite release I think it's much better than ASFxx(generic Jpop with good lyrics), LOVEppears(horrible production), Duty(great songs mixed with bad songs + too short for a full album), I am...(the ballads on that album are so generic it's sickening, make them stop!!!), MY STORY(half the songs sound the same on this one) and Secret(would have worked better as EP). All those had great tracks but to me consisted mostly of fillers - and they all were just as generic. While FIVE has one masterpiece to me(BRILLANTE), one great song(progress) and 3 songs that are just normal Ayu. (and I think it's very Ayu with the exception of ANother song, all the songs are very much like stuff she did before)

And FIVE being the beginning of a new peak(if it turns out to really be one) doesn't have to mean she continues releasing the same type of music. It just means she gets the attention to sell better again, so whatever she releases next may have a higher chance at selling well as more people may listen.

BTW: I used progress and BRILLANTE to introduce new people to Ayumi and it worked every time, worked better than songs like Love Song.

Zeke. · #7 19th September 2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

I wrote "it's perfect to get new fans", not "it's perfect".
And how can progress be the weakest of her epic rock songs when she isn't even doing a rock song in it? It's far more anison than rock really except for the guitar solo. The melody is very anison, so is the arrangement.

The general public wants generic, Ayumi took a step into that direction with FIVE.
And honestly while far from my favorite release I think it's much better than ASFxx, LOVEppears, Duty, I am..., MY STORY and Secret. All those had great tracks but to me consisted mostly of fillers - and they all were just as generic. While FIVE has one masterpiece to me(BRILLANTE), one great song(progress) and 3 songs that are just normal Ayu. (and I think it's very Ayu with the exception of ANother song, all the songs are very much like stuff she did before)

And FIVE being the beginning of a new peak(if it turns out to really be one) doesn't have to mean she continues releasing the same type of music. It just means she gets the attention to sell better again, so whatever she releases next may have a higher chance at selling well as more people may listen.

REALLY?? I know it's opinion but each of those album have one song at LEAST, if not more, that blow everything on FIVE out of the water.

Also, I just felt like progress was trying way too hard. It was going for the Mirrorcle World route but you can tell with Mirrorcle World it just worked and came together and this is just too messy. The only part I absolutely love, probably one of my favorite parts in ANY of the songs she's EVER released, is after the instrumental bridge and then the lyrics for the bridge kick in - God that is epic. So heartfelt there.

Zeke. · #8 20th September 2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

BTW: I used progress and BRILLANTE to introduce new people to Ayumi and it worked every time, worked better than songs like Love Song.

'Cuz Love Song is just as boring. Lol.

But anyway, I just really do not think this is a good representation of Ayumi and her work. It's completely different than her usual stuff. Maybe not in a BAD way to some, but cannot be argued that it is very different for Ayumi.

Andrenekoi · #9 19th September 2011, 08:22 PM

^U should learn to stop mistaking ur opinions by facts...

Most of Ayu classics are generic... Anyone could release Seasons or Dearest or almost any of her summer tracks...

truehappiness · #10 19th September 2011, 08:33 PM

Not everyone feels the same way about Ayu's music and I guess that's a good thing. She can please all kinds of listeners but at the same time, a lot of the music can be loathed by people who liked X over the more recently released Y.

In the end, it's selling well for what it is which seems to indicate that her main audience (Japan) likes this kind of thing. It's funny how it was said to be her 'worst release ever' by a handful of people here and then it goes and gets some of her best rankings of late.

And about progress, I feel as though it's completely stunning. To be honest, I think FIVE is full of ~future classics~. Even ANother song which really grows on you if you actually listen to it.

isthisLOL? · #11 19th September 2011, 08:36 PM

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And about progress, I feel as though it's completely stunning. To be honest, I think FIVE is full of ~future classics~. Even ANother song which really grows on you if you actually listen to it.

So true. Once I really gave it a chance I just couldn't get the last choruses out of my head.

TeamAyu2004 · #12 19th September 2011, 09:03 PM

^ I agree too... at first hearing the colabs... I didn't care for them, but after a while I find myself singing along with them in the car... lol. And I claim to at hate that Natura (what his name is) guy... lol... he is growing on me

As for the best ever? I don't know... I love FIVE, but you can't really compare them to other albums because it's not an album... the diversity isn't there because there's not enough material to compare. Personally I think I love old ayu better... (to me her peak in music excellence was Duty to I am, maybe Rainbow because I like to include memorial address into it...)
But the stuff she is doing now is just as good, different, not "old ayumi" but still good.

**ayumisrael** · #13 19th September 2011, 09:44 PM

I loved ANother song since the beginning.
The melody and arrangement <3

TeamAyu2004 · #14 20th September 2011, 01:26 AM

^ Yeppers!

By the way.. totally off topic, but the sales for Tales of Xillia were finally posted: 509,026,

pretty amazing...

I do believe thats better then the combined sales of Graces and Graces F...

YUKARI · #15 20th September 2011, 01:27 AM

yes, ANother song grow on me too, though I don't like this kind of songs

I personally think this EP sells good, because of Tales of Xillia tie-in, cause progress is played every in Japan. It would be better if she had at least one CM with her on TV too, as she used to.

and I really like isthisLOL?'s idea about attracting new fans... oh how I want to witness her second peak!

TeamAyu2004 · #16 20th September 2011, 02:20 AM

^ I feel it coming! In the coming years she will have another peak!

elvis810 · #17 20th September 2011, 03:07 AM

i surely hope she has another peak! am i wrong that most of the fans here didn't witness her peak in 2000-2001?

AyumiAi · #18 20th September 2011, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by elvis810

i surely hope she has another peak! am i wrong that most of the fans here didn't witness her peak in 2000-2001?

Sadly i have a feeling that this idea of her having a new "Peak" wont really manifest itself unless Ayu's management really picks it up and starts putting ayu's face everywhere again... like everywhere and actually promote on TV and Radio and stuff to people who arent already ayu fans

Andrenekoi · #19 20th September 2011, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AyumiAi

Sadly i have a feeling that this idea of her having a new "Peak" wont really manifest itself unless Ayu's management really picks it up and starts putting ayu's face everywhere again... like everywhere and actually promote on TV and Radio and stuff to people who arent already ayu fans

Well, she needs to put her face on stuff according to public demand... Putting her face everywhere if nobody is interested on seeing her won't really work...

bluegie · #20 20th September 2011, 04:03 AM

^ hmmn, good question. Most people who joined before 2004 should have witnessed her peak during 2000 - 2002 (I think she's still at the top on 2002, which H being yearly no. 1 single, and I am being yearly no. 2 album). Of course, some older fans joined AHS really late as well. I can't recall exactly but a member with join year 2010 has been actually following ayu since 2000 or so.