[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~LOVE~

[TeamAyu2004]

we are not talking about them.
We are talking about ayumi.

You can't deny the fact that this is her worse year in sales and position.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

we are not talking about them.
We are talking about ayumi.

You can't deny the fact that this is her worse year in sales and position.

Worst year in positions, yes. Worst year in sales? Not so much. Her releases this year will make 2012 at least more successful sales-wise than 2011. And when taking the general trends of the business into account she is doing marvelously well. This whole "Ayumi is flopping" thing is a very, very limited way of looking at the subject. She is doing far better than anyone could have expected at her peak. Most people that have a high, much publicized, peak completely fail to enter the top20 5-10 years after their peak. Ayumi herself thought her career would end sometime between 2000 and 2002. But she has yet to miss the top5 weekly with an album or single even when she hasn't really followed musical, stylistic or lyrical trends and is getting mediocre promotion only. Just looking at Ayumi doesn't work because the evolution of her sales is very dependent on the entirety of the business and the way an album is promoted. If you look at what FIVE(or any other, older release) sold and compare the exact numbers to LOVE you might think it's a flop, but only because circumstances are ignored.

[Chibi-Chan]

I remember when people discussed that Ayu's only getting her number #1s because Avex was switching release dates. Most of the time the point in this discussions was that Avex and Ayu should stop doing this because those weren't "real" #1s, Ayu should just do what she wants and chart positions doesn't matter anyway. Now Ayu is doing exactly this, just releasing for her fans and not for chart positions and people want her desperately to get a #1.

[orbitalaspect]

At the same time, would this really be selling as poorly if it was just a new triple A-side single and not a fake mini-album with three new songs and 9 remixes?

[TeamAyu2004]

^ no because its a mini album.

first. I never said she was a flop.
I was just agreeing that this is by far her worse year in chart positions.

I think she is doing amazingly well for her career point and the lack of promotion. And for the fact that she just doesnt care about sales or chart positions also effects it

And as of right now, last year is still beating this year by about 8000 copies.
Of course she is going to beat this number with LOVE's finally numbers and next months release.

[No_Doubt]

I'm excited for 5-10 years from now when she starts selling like 1000 copies for every new release. Then she can be a WORLD!WIDE!FLOP! like hitomi.

[microphone]

Originally Posted by No_Doubt

I'm excited for 5-10 years from now when she starts selling like 1000 copies for every new release. Then she can be a WORLD!WIDE!FLOP! like hitomi.

Hopefully you'll remain a fan as long as you are enjoying her music. I feel bad for those who are so affected by her declining sales. It's time to get a grip.

[Delicious n Bold]

oh god
Imagine just how much current artists will be selling in 5-10 years
Angela Aki and Crystal Kay would be flopping just as hard as ayu. XD

[jang-kun]

Maybe some people are saying Ayu's a flop nowadays because they were spoiled by Ayu herself to boast "fcck all *****es in Japan mah ***** is slaying #1" every time Ayu releases new music.

oh well, Ayu's a flop today compared to the Ayu 12 years ago. but compared to everyone, Ayu is still a slaying machine.

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by jang-kun

oh well, Ayu's a flop today compared to the Ayu 12 years ago. but compared to everyone, Ayu is still a slaying machine.

I agree so much. With a recent study saying that 68% of japanese people not even spending money on Music, to have 50,000 sales... that's a lot. That's still enough people to fill Yoyogi Stadium 4 times over. Because honestly now, the only artists who sell over 500,000 are AKB48. And maybe Arashi. Even Exile is having problems lately...

[Amuro_Ray]

Actually
It is just a maxi single
If can selling 60k+ in first week, it is really good

[Linza-mo]

Oricon sales aren't great but...nobody cares about recochoku ? LOVE is doing very well !! In japan recochoku is more and more important, a lot of artists doesn't sale a lot in physical but have great sales in recochoku ! (Kaela Kimura for example)

well, "Missing" is still n°1 in chaku uta since its release, and "song 4 u" and "Missing" are in all of the top 5, LOVE does much better than party queen or her others singles...

Last year was one of artists most downloaded in japan, don't forget that, don't be obsessed by oricon.

http://recochoku.jp/recochoku_ranking/

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Linza-mo

Oricon sales aren't great but...nobody cares about recochoku ? LOVE is doing very well !! In japan recochoku is more and more important, a lot of artists doesn't sale a lot in physical but have great sales in recochoku ! (Kaela Kimura for example)

well, "Missing" is still n°1 in chaku uta since its release, and "song 4 u" and "Missing" are in all of the top 5, LOVE does much better than party queen or her others singles...

Last year was one of artists most downloaded in japan, don't forget that, don't be obsessed by oricon.

http://recochoku.jp/recochoku_ranking/

How many days have been Missing charting? I hope it'll manage to stay at #1 for at least the whole week.

[ayumisrael]

There are 2 more days for recochoku's weekly and I believe that it is the first charting week of ayu's songs there. Even if it's for just 1 week ayu didn't get #1 weekly for quite some time (since MOON or something) so it will be awesome!

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

There are 2 more days for recochoku's weekly and I believe that it is the first charting week of ayu's songs there. Even if it's for just 1 week ayu didn't get #1 weekly for quite some time (since MOON or something) so it will be awesome!

Yeah I know. I thought MOON was #2, could be wrong though, it's been so long. I hope Missing manages to snatch that #1 even with such high competition.

[isthisLOL?]

Since the single is...not cheap at all it would make sense for people to just download the song(s) they like. Even when buying all 3 it's still 750yen compared to 1500. Plus Missing and Melody have digital hit written all over them and Song 4 u has a tie-in that draws attention to only that song, but not the single as a whole.

[ayumisrael]

Well, Missing is more successful digitally than Song 4 u XD

I kinda wish Missing could be #1 in the full too, but it might only be in chaku uta.

[Linza-mo]

Missing is available on recochocku since 9/11 ! So I think it can be n°1 for the week ! =)

[miki_beland]

Why don't we have Recochoku thread this time? xD

[ayumisrael]

I'm kinda sad to open it, update it everyday and then see that it doesn't recieve any certification... I feel like I do it for nothing, but I thought on doing a section in the oricon thread for recochoku weekly~monthly rankings
I will post the weeklies of recochoku here on Wednesday.

At least I know you care Miki haha ^^