[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~LOVE~

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

its not a single, so no.

As for lowering prices i dont see that happening since akb sales so much at current prices. CD sales dont decline because of prices, they havent changed much over the years
TO BED single cost 1020
and L cost 1200
thats a about a 12 year difference and less then 200 yen.. not bad if you ask me.

they should try and focus on digital sales... thats where the world is going anyways.

Still 1020 yen in 1999 wasn't really what 1020 yen is in 2012...

[TeamAyu2004]

^ why? People today tend to make more money then they did 10 years ago. Prices match what people make.
I'm surprised they have gone up only 200 yen in 12 years (just ayumi mind you) the prices are different for each artist.

Namies Go ROund - 1050
Koda Kumi latest- 1260
Kana Always - 1223
AKB48 uza - 1600
ayumi L -1200

they all very.
also you have to understand the mentally of the japanese public... they are very different on their 'things' then the rest of the world...
thats why anime dvd's still cost almost 100.00 a piece and only have 2 episodes.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Still 1020 yen in 1999 wasn't really what 1020 yen is in 2012...

if your talking about conversion... then now, the yen is worth more now, but now we are getting into economics. Is the yen worth more now or has the world's money crashed around it??

but just looking at the japanese economy not much has changed.

[AwakenedPRO]

Sales are good for a disc with only 3 new songs. I know they are not ok for Ayu's standards but... Well, ok!

We should be happy that she's still in the field of action and can sell half million cds with her releases in 2012!

Let's be satisfied with that till we see what's gonna happen in her 15th anniversary!

[emi♡]

It might not be a single, but it doesn't stop the album from only having three new songs.

We might feel just peachy about that...but it doesn't mean that the Japanese public does.


I think the sales aren't bad at all for a mini like this though. Chart positions don't mean much to me anymore I think.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ okay, a pointless article about why pirates can no longer get their free music...
from my understanding albums sales are about the same this time as the same last year...

also, there is no indication on who they surveyed, how many, along with no sources of quotes, and so on.

also, if you noticed the graph, it only changed (from what was reported) by 6.1... which isn't a lot.

A huge portion of sales from the music industry in Japan is from young people, as they grow up they might stop buying music and with the stagnant population it is only natural for the music sales to decline.

[4minute Girl]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ okay, a pointless article about why pirates can no longer get their free music...
from my understanding albums sales are about the same this time as the same last year...

also, there is no indication on who they surveyed, how many, along with no sources of quotes, and so on.

also, if you noticed the graph, it only changed (from what was reported) by 6.1... which isn't a lot.

A huge portion of sales from the music industry in Japan is from young people, as they grow up they might stop buying music and with the stagnant population it is only natural for the music sales to decline.

Lol...

[♥ you!]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ okay, a pointless article about why pirates can no longer get their free music...
from my understanding albums sales are about the same this time as the same last year...

also, there is no indication on who they surveyed, how many, along with no sources of quotes, and so on.

also, if you noticed the graph, it only changed (from what was reported) by 6.1... which isn't a lot.

A huge portion of sales from the music industry in Japan is from young people, as they grow up they might stop buying music and with the stagnant population it is only natural for the music sales to decline.

omg you just argue in circles with everyone. i like how you're some expert on the spending habits of Japanese people when last week you didn't even know how talent agencies worked.

where are you getting the idea that most sales are from young people? how exactly are they buying this cause minimum wage in japan is only 600-700 yen per hour...and that's IF they're even able to have a job due to how crazy school in japan is. 6.1% decrease is a lot also.

and lol at you trying to question the validity of this article by not pointing out who they surveyed and the sources. http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1737101.html go on and read the nearly 3000 comments this article got cause just like the users at arama...they agree.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ okay, a pointless article about why pirates can no longer get their free music...
from my understanding albums sales are about the same this time as the same last year...

also, there is no indication on who they surveyed, how many, along with no sources of quotes, and so on.

also, if you noticed the graph, it only changed (from what was reported) by 6.1... which isn't a lot.

A huge portion of sales from the music industry in Japan is from young people, as they grow up they might stop buying music and with the stagnant population it is only natural for the music sales to decline.

So... you are telling us Japan is lacking on 14~30 years old people? :000 That's sucks!

[hayasaki]

A maxi single disguised as a mini-album against BEST/COMPLIATION Albums be included in the Top 5? How is that even a flop?

[TeamAyu2004]

^ would you actually want to contribute something of substance?

[emi♡]

I don't get the point of any of this.

LOVE sold just as much as it should have in that ridiculous market.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by emi♡

I don't get the point of any of this.

LOVE sold just as much as it should have in that ridiculous market.

It EXACTLY met my expectations so far(60-70k first week, then something around 100k in total) - and I wasn't expecting a flop. I think it's doing REALLY well considering the circumstances. The market, her career/the length of her career, the nature of the songs and of the release as a whole, the promotion...

[TeamAyu2004]

I dont argue in circles, and I never claimed to be an expert on japanese people spending habits. I said young people drive the music scene... and they do. You can look at sales all across the world and see this.
It extends to almost every facet of entertainment. People want to hit that young audience because thats where the money is.

And by your comment Ill just assume you are thinking about young people as 10-highschool something?when in fact it includes everyone in their 20's as well and some would include the 30's as young (the american entertainment shots for an 18-49) compared to people in their 70's and 80's. Japan has one of the smallest unemployment rates in the world and the information i found said that 15% of the population is on mini wage... so... take it how you want.

I know how talent agencies work, thanks.
I didn't really think about how Idols where managed, but they have a complete image that is different from your everyday artist. And in all in tense purposes they don't really belong to any label, but to the agencies that founded them they just rent out the studio time and have the label produce the physical cope of the album.
(and I'm totally flattered that you follow my post! thanks so much!)

As for your link, already read it, thanks again. But most ALL (wow, one little typo, one would think in an international forum people would be used to this) of those post were AFTER the article was posted.
We still do NOT know who was polled which would be important. For all I know the person doing the article asked 30 people next to him/her which isn't a real comparison to the rest of japan, now is it.

also, while I'm at it... I really dont see how you claiming me 'being an expert on japanese spending habits' has anything to do with not knowing about talent agencies.

And finally... for your 6.1 comment... I don't think it is... thinking it is or isn't is subjective...

try not to be rude again if you want to comment back.. I was never rude.

[♥ you!]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

As for your link, already read it, thanks again. But most of those post were AFTER the article was posted.

oh man ALL of the comments were made after the article was posted not "most", how can someone comment and agree on an article that hasn't even been published yet? This isn't the first article about this obviously, there's tons of them. This one just happened to be translated.

As for the talent agency thing idk why you're talking about idols when Kis-My-Ft2 were the only ones mentioned...you point blank said avex trax promotes kis-my-ft, Namie, Kumi, EXILE etc. more than Ayu before Andrenekoi was kind enough to correct you. This is common sense for a j-pop fan, so for you to be talking all this stuff and not knowing that well I just found it interesting

and yes I'm including Kuu & EXILE cause there's a big difference between Rhythm Zone and Avex Trax which wasn't addressed but that can be for another day.

What else...oh right when talking about statistics in regards to buying habits (or anything really) you can't just lump such a large age range into "young people"....there's way more factors also but omg I can already tell this will go nowhere so I'm throwing in the towel. Goodbye congrats etc. give yourself a pat on the back

[Togepi]

Originally Posted by ♥ you!

oh man ALL of the comments were made after the article was posted not "most", how can someone comment and agree on an article that hasn't even been published yet?

hehehe that part made me laugh too :x

[emi♡]

I think they do have a higher population of older people? Or something? Like I know there have been articles coming out for years how they don't have enough people of working age to fill jobs or something.


But anyway...older people in the Japanese industry are quite important too.

I mean, Koda comes to my mind first. But last year, I thought it was hilarious when she was on...Best Artist I think, where they show the demographics of the fans...and she had a huge portion of 55-65 year old men It's not just her of course. She's probably no where near the most popular with the age group.

You can even see this with videos on youtube.


At the end of the day, things are marketed towards the younger generations...but the Japanese market has more to do with tastes than age. And the tastes across the board of all ages, are kind of unanimous. They want idol music.

[TeamAyu2004]

^^ what?

I think you might be taking for what said too literal? Maybe... it's a growing concern that Japan is a very old population and people are only having 1 child maybe two...
its very interesting...

What I was saying was that as the young grow old, there are not enough new young to replace what was once there... does that make sense?

and what emi said was true too... from a marketing standpoint it goes for the younger crowd.

EDIT:
there is actually a TON of information on the aging of japan and how it is becoming a problem. the main article is on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan
you can find all the references at the bottom is you want to check sources.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ lol.. what a nice way of putting it..

[spanishfan]

^
^
That's right! Japanese people need more sex if Ayumi want to sell more again. She tried herself but it didn't work, Koda did her best! Also the friends of Namie's son buy her music, that makes sense to me.

xD

[Tony G]

For a release with 3 songs, this sold well. I couldn't even compare this release to something like FIVE because that had more original content and more video clips.