'again' mini album out December 8th, 2nd of five 15th anniversary releases [IV] - Page 23

TeamAyu2004 · #**441** 12th December 2012, 11:41 PM

^ sadness really...
I want her to come back and make some killer music so bad!

emi♡ · #**442** 12th December 2012, 11:44 PM

The ratio of good CREA tracks to bad ones is way better than the ratio of her good songs by random people to her **** songs by random people.

That being said, she really doesn't know anything about composing, and personally, I think she's a little out of touch with music in general.

BUT, whatever. We had good songs on again. So. Everything with her is hit or miss, or the concept is so pretentious and deep that it can be liked for that regardless of the music.

Basically, it doesn't matter.

Chibi-Chan · #**443** 12th December 2012, 11:58 PM

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Humming 7/4.

Don't know why everyone hates on this one. I loved it from first listen. Besides I love CREA's tracks because they are so... unperfect, if you guys know what I mean. It's not the standard thing you get from every composer.

mizuki-7 · #**444** 13th December 2012, 12:01 AM

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That being said, she really doesn't know anything about composing, and personally, I think she's a little out of touch with music in general.

You're no need to be a genius for composing something ... Even she has a weak knowledge do you think that all the singers who compose in this industry come from Brooklyn or others prestigious universities ?
Even if her Level of composer are weak her arrangers have been able to do something amazing with her compositions and I'm satisfied with that ^^

emi♡ · #**445** 13th December 2012, 12:25 AM

She doesn't. It's just a fact, it's not really, anything detrimental.

Personally, I love nearly all of her compositions....that made it to the studio version.

However, I do think it would help her. Just my opinion, but people who have been exposed to music in an educational setting, and who are musicians, tend to compose better melodies.

freedreamer · #**446** 13th December 2012, 12:32 AM

I have a feeling they have a stash of DAI songs...since songs like Return Road and Sweet scar suddenly came out again...hope more sees the light of day

microphone · #**447** 13th December 2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by emi♡

That being said, she really doesn't know anything about composing, and personally, I think she's a little out of touch with music in general.

I hate to agree, but I agree. I boast about her lyrics and how superior they are to other pop singers/writers but when it comes to musical knowledge I can't be as confident. Two of my favorites in Ayu's discography are 'Will' and 'Dearest' and while she is credited as a composer, I can't help but feel D.A.I. was responsible for most of it.

TeamAyu2004 · #**448** 13th December 2012, 12:36 AM

I think schooling would actually make it worse... when you are force feed a way of doing something it limits what you can do because thats the way you were taught...

if you learn to do it by yourself you can accomplish so much more. there are a ton of people out there that have created master pieces and had no 'official' education.

Andrenekoi · #**449** 13th December 2012, 12:51 AM

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I always ask me why she stopped to compose for her singles (except will) after Forgiveness ? Do you think it's because this single was a flop at that time ?

I believe she just doesn't like doing it... So, if other people compositions please her, she goes for them.

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I think schooling would actually make it worse... when you are force feed a way of doing something it limits what you can do because thats the way you were taught...

if you learn to do it by yourself you can accomplish so much more. there are a ton of people out there that have created master pieces and had no 'official' education.

Sorry, but this is ********... There are some people who acomplish more when they learn by themselves, there are some people who acomplish more when they get formal education... Ayu is getting none (as she should be studying music by herself to actually learn it by herself).

Learning something by yourself doesn't mean "try and error" until something cool happens... It means learning the basic by informal ways and how to experiement with it, and Ayu never actually learned the basic. And the basic is exactly what she would get by going to a music school or something.

TeamAyu2004 · #**450** 13th December 2012, 12:55 AM

^ I dont agree.
Your limited when someone teaches HOW you are supposed to do something... Everything that was ever truly great in this world was by accident, not found in some classroom.

and actually learning something by yourself is trail and error.
and see how I can say something without cussing up a storm, try it sometime, you wont look so simple minded.

Andrenekoi · #**451** 13th December 2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ I dont agree.
Your limited when someone teaches HOW you are supposed to do something... Everything that was ever truly great in this world was by accident, not found in some classroom.

and actually learning something by yourself is trail and error.
and see how I can say something without cussing up a storm, try it sometime, you wont look so simple minded.

This isn't a ****, don't take it too hard. ;P

The bolded part shows u have little to no knowlegment of art or literature history... Pretty much anything that was considered a masterpiece on the creativity field was done by skilled people with a enormous background of studing and practicing, either formally or informally, their ability, polishing their skills and knowing what the hell they were doing. Even to accomplish something by try and error you need basic knowledgment to know if the final result is good or bad. And that's why there are so many "writers", "painters", "singers" or "artists" in general starving over there... Because most of the time they believe they are geniouses just because they don't know enough about the field they are trying to actually know how banal they work are. =)

TeamAyu2004 · #**452** 13th December 2012, 01:05 AM

^ most of the so called greats were informally trained. If you notice, I said 'official' education.
And actually while on the subject it doesnt really matter what kind of training you have because its not your schooling that defines what is good, but the people that actually buy it. It could be total crap and by all the educational standers not acceptable, but if people buy it and like it, it makes it good.

It really is all about popularity.

mizuki-7 · #**453** 13th December 2012, 01:05 AM

Maybe Ayu has learned some basics with DAI ? who knows ? when she said that she has no knowledges as composer was when she began to compose songs in 2001 nothing says she has not learned how compose a song after that ? It's just a supposition but regarding how she invests herself in her musics I don't think she does not learned at least a few things about composing

microphone · #**454** 13th December 2012, 01:09 AM

If there are proven methods, it is wise to study them. Randomly pressing keys on a piano until a nice sound comes out is definitely not the way to go about learning musical composition. Those who have good knowledge don't waste their time doing that. All the grimy work was taken care of by the musicians of the far past who have since passed their knowledge down to us

TeamAyu2004 · #**455** 13th December 2012, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mizuki-7

Maybe Ayu has learned some basics with DAI ? who knows ? when she said that she has no knowledges as composer was when she began to compose songs in 2001 nothing says she has not learned how compose a song after that ? It's just a supposition but regarding how she invests herself in her musics I don't think she does not learned at least a few things about composing

this is true too... We really dont know how much she official knows either... She made all her statements about music back in 2000/1.

If you ask me her music only got better, so she differently picked up something here or there.

Andrenekoi · #**456** 13th December 2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ most of the so called greats were informally trained. If you notice, I said 'official' education.
And actually while on the subject it doesnt really matter what kind of training you have because its not your schooling that defines what is good, but the people that actually buy it. It could be total crap and by all the educational standers not acceptable, but if people buy it and like it, it makes it good.

It really is all about popularity.

Nops... you said everything great was done "by accident"... What is far, far different from "done by skilled people who learned by themselves", also, it's not like a lot of them actually learned by themselves, most of them had an older artist as a mentor. Knowledgment and skill don't come from thin air.

You also need to know the basics to be able to produce the popular, it's not like producing a popular piece of work isn't an effort by itself... actually, it's the main pilar of composing and producing pop music. And you would be surprised to know how much pop top producers are actually classically trained.

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Originally Posted by microphone

If there are proven methods, it is wise to study them. Randomly pressing keys on a piano until a nice sound comes out is definitely not the way to go about learning musical composition. Those who have good knowledge don't waste their time doing that. All the grimy work was taken care of by the musicians of the far past who have since passed their knowledge down to us

Pretty much this.

TeamAyu2004 · #**457** 13th December 2012, 01:30 AM

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Nops... you said everything great was done "by accident"... What is far, far different from "done by skilled people who learned by themselves", also, it's not like a lot of them actually learned by themselves, most of them had an older artist as a mentor. Knowledgment and skill don't come from thin air.

yet again you are ignoring the rest of my statement, if you finish reading it it said ... not in some classroom. Nothing ever great came from the product of formal training, you take what you know from any source and make it your own. This dose not need to come from formal training.

Andrenekoi · #**458** 13th December 2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

yet again you are ignoring the rest of my statement, if you finish reading it it said ... not in some classroom. Nothing ever great came from the product of formal training, you take what you know from any source and make it your own. This dose not need to come from formal training.

TeamAyu2004 · #**459** 13th December 2012, 02:33 AM

And Im sure they were all in the classroom when they made whatever they did was great, besides that if you read the wiki articles some of those people, if not most, went to get their training BECAUSE they were good at it and wanted to learn more.

Also just reading through some of the articles, the very ones you posted, most of these people are self taught...

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John started playing the piano at the age of 3, and within a year, his mother heard him picking out Winifred Atwell's "The Skater's Waltz" by ear. After performing at parties and family gatherings, at the age of 7 he took up formal piano lessons. He showed musical aptitude at school, including the ability to compose melodies, and gained some notoriety by playing like Jerry Lee Lewis at school functions. At the age of 11, he won a junior scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. According to one of his instructors, John promptly played back, like a "gramophone record", a four-page piece by Handel that he heard for the first time.

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McCartney is largely a self-taught musician.

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After obtaining his BA, Jackman completed the one-year course "The Journey" at the Actors' Centre in Sydney.[7] About studying acting full-time, he stated, "It wasn't until I was 22 that I ever thought about my hobby being something I could make a living out of.

I could probably do it with more of them, but I dont feel like it...
jsut proves to show most if not all the greats do great things being self taught, and not have quote un quote formal training.
also besides that, some of those people are hardly considered great, but thats a subjective thing and not the point.

Andrenekoi · #**460** 13th December 2012, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

And Im sure they were all in the classroom when they made whatever they did was great, besides that if you read the wiki articles some of those people, if not most, went to get their training BECAUSE they were good at it and wanted to learn more.

Being good on something doesn't mean you enough knowledgment on it to produce good stuff.

And really... why would u polish ur skills on something u have no talent to do, or dislike? It's not like those people would be technically equal good without going for formal education... Raw talent can make brilliant artists, but raw talent paired with technical knowlegment is just unstopable. All of the pop composers on the list are considered the very best at this, mostly because they know what they are doing.

Receiving formal education only means being programmed like a robot and doing stuff on one way only if u r completelly stupid to not use what u learned on ur own way. You must know the rules in order to break them.