[Utada Hikaru] The 50th Thread of Utada Hikaru - First Love -15th Anniversary Edition- released 2014 - Page 12

orangeakira · #**221** 26th July 2014, 09:38 PM

^7 games is not bad compared to the final fantasy series. And they're all related. It's not like you're playing some side game with different characters doing their own thing. Everything leads back to the main storyline.

Tom Punks · #**222** 26th July 2014, 09:53 PM

^ But the Final Fantasy series, for the most part, is entirely separate stories, which means YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND $239052305920 buying all the separate consoles and playing through the watered-down filler spin-offs just to even HOPE to understand the next main entry to the series. You need one console, one game, and you get the story for that installment.

In fact, I highly doubt anyone would gripe about KH having so many side games if they all had separate stories that didn't relate to the main storyline. But instead, they gave us 7 games over at least 3-5 different consoles that all have watered-down, filler game play but are all absolutely integral to understanding the storyline. You can't play one game without playing all of them. It's the fact that everything leads back to the main storyline that makes it such a mess and why so many people have given up on the series. So the argument that "everything leads back to the main storyline so Final Fantasy is somehow worse in the spin-off/side game department" makes 0 sense to me personally.

ahtka-chan · #**223** 26th July 2014, 10:05 PM

You guys could do like me, play the main entries of the series and read on wikipedia about the other games. I ain't got no time, money or patience to spend on all those spin offs :/

Tom Punks · #**224** 26th July 2014, 10:09 PM

^ lmao, right, I've tried to do that a couple times before but my eyes just turn inside out because it's sooo dry to read... +_+

orangeakira · #**225** 26th July 2014, 10:31 PM

tl;dr version if you don't feel like reading below: I agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks

^ But the Final Fantasy series, for the most part, is entirely separate stories, which means YOU DON'T NEED TO SPEND $239052305920 buying all the separate consoles and playing through the watered-down filler spin-offs just to even HOPE to understand the next main entry to the series. You need one console, one game, and you get the story for that installment.

In fact, I highly doubt anyone would gripe about KH having so many side games if they all had separate stories that didn't relate to the main storyline. But instead, they gave us 7 games over at least 3-5 different consoles that all have watered-down, filler game play but are all absolutely integral to understanding the storyline. You can't play one game without playing all of them. It's the fact that everything leads back to the main storyline that makes it such a mess and why so many people have given up on the series. So the argument that "everything leads back to the main storyline so Final Fantasy is somehow worse in the spin-off/side game department" makes 0 sense to me personally.

I really hate arguing. My parents did enough of it in my life time to make me never want to confront anyone ever again. So I tried to make this sound as not rude as possible.

Sounds like you're taking this very personally. I'm guessing you're really upset about Kingdom Hearts? I mean you put a lot of effort to prove your point.

I understand how frustrating it is. You're preaching to the chorus here. I went out of my way to buy a PSP just to play one game only to find out I could have not wasted the money and just played it on my phone for free. I got a PSP right when BBS came out in 2010, and to this day I only bought two other games for it (Crisis core, and God of war ghost of sparta). I bought the 3 games at once and beat them all in a few months and as of now, the PSP has been collecting dust in my room for years.

I was even more pissed off when I found out that Birth By Sleep was originally meant for the PS2, but they decided to try it out on a hand held device. For conveniences sake it would have been so much better, and probably sold a lot more if it was still with the ps2 (or at the very least they gave you the option to buy it for psp or ps2)

But you know the past is in the past. What's done is done. Trust me if I had the chance I would have slapped Square Enix in the face and demanded that everything gets a PS2 only release. As I've said, you can now spend $80 and play ALL but one of the games on the same two disks for the same console. The games are kinda old now (The first came out 12 years ago) and it doesn't entirely make up for making me spend all this money but it could have been worse. At least they're trying to make up for it. They could have just done nothing at all.

As for the story-line. (I'm still kinda trying to figure it out myself. lol) I know I don't have any say in this since I'm a really hard KH fan. My opinion doesn't really matter. It's like trying to prove why Ayumi Hamasaki is the best singer in the world and telling someone you're her number 1 fan. But I gotta agree that its a mess. It's like they had all these wonderful ideas and did too many of them at once. The transition from the first to the second game is a fucking mess. They introduced too many new characters and storylines and places at once. I didn't play ReCom before I played KH2 and I was so lost it's not even funny. Then to make matters worse they add another side storyline to tie into the main storyline that takes place during the first side storyline. (358/2 Days paralleling ReCom)

EDIT:^That's really the only super difficult part to understand. BBS takes place 10 years before the first game and sets up the events. So that's pretty straight forward. Coded isn't important since it was originally a cellphone game. It's not really related to the main storyline. You don't need to play it or worry about it. Then there's DDD. After the events of KH2 Sora and Riku try to take on the challenge of becoming Keyblade Masters because they realize that apparently no one dies in the Kingdom Hearts series. Master Xehanort (From BBS) was split into two beings. The really powerful Heartless (ansem) you beat at the end of the first game, and the really powerful Nobody (xemnas) you beat at the end of the second game. When you defeat both parts of someone, they come back to life as their original human self so in DDD Riku and Sora are training and try to take on the keyblade challenge and become keyblade masters and getting ready to take on Master Xehanort in KH3.

Tom Punks · #**226** 26th July 2014, 11:41 PM

^ Eeep... I didn't mean to come off that strongly in my post, sorry.

I was taken aback by the Final Fantasy comparison and probably got carried away. But nah, I'm not really upset about the mess the series turned into so much as I find it totally ridiculous, lmao. I wanted to like DDD so bad but I didn't "get" it and the whole "drop" mechanic gimmick thing got old reeeally quick. The only side story that looked worth playing was BBS and of course I can't play it legally since it's not in the PS Store...

sighs.

orangeakira · #**227** 26th July 2014, 11:50 PM

^Legally. hehe

I gotta say BBS is definitely my favorite game next to KH1 and 2. If I had to suggest to a friend to play any of the side games I'd go with that one. I don't even really consider it a spin off or side game cause it was originally going to be a major PS2 release. (I mean have you seen the intro video? They put too much effort into it for it to be an irrelevant game) It's too related to the main story line to not play. You definitely need to either play it or watch the cutscenes on youtube before attempting KH3.

sora-kara · #**228** 27th July 2014, 04:31 AM

yeah so...how 'bout dem musics?

id really like a fancy anniversary release of distance like we got for first love.
demo versions of sunglasses, parody and kettobase! would be really interesting.

orangeakira · #**229** 27th July 2014, 05:10 AM

^I wouldn't have the money for that, and it'd be overkill. I think it was a one time thing because First love is not only her highest selling album, but also her debut album. Could you imagine though having a 15th anniversary version for all her albums? haha. I think she should at least do a collection album with rare songs, remixes, demos like with First love, but it should span from Distance to SCV2. I'd hope it'd be 2 disks filled with stuff. I'd definitely put money aside for that.

Zahara · #**230** 27th July 2014, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ahtka-chan

You guys could do like me, play the main entries of the series and read on wikipedia about the other games. I ain't got no time, money or patience to spend on all those spin offs :/

That's pretty much what I plan on doing. I'm pretty up to date when it comes to the side games though, and I totally get why they had it on different hand held systems. Props for Square-Enix for doing that.

ahtka-chan · #**231** 27th July 2014, 08:45 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I thought the Bonus Disc for First Love Anniversary Edition was really weak.

The demos were really, really, really raw, much more brainstorm than actual first versions of the songs, and the "new" tracks were in low quality and not really interesting.
Aside from that, we already had those remixes and etc

I'd really love a remix album, or instrumentals for album tracks.

orangeakira · #**232** 27th July 2014, 09:18 PM

^She's given us ONE new song in the last 4 years. She can record herself on the toilet sobbing from the pain of extreme explosive diarrhea after eating half her weight in Mexican food and taking half a bottle of laxatives because it makes her feel alive for all I care. I'll take what I can get.

Chibi-Chan · #**233** 27th July 2014, 09:24 PM

Ok, I know I'm VERY late to the party but I just checked the first post and found the "godly altered" titles. I still can't stop laughing...

The one I love the most: Flavor of Penis (Barely Legal Version)

emi♡ · #**234** 28th July 2014, 12:47 AM

I didn't even listen to that First Love thing.

NintendoHTF1242 · #**235** 28th July 2014, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Ok, I know I'm VERY late to the party but I just checked the first post and found the "godly altered" titles. I still can't stop laughing...

The one I love the most: Flavor of Penis (Barely Legal Version)

Good times, good times. I was always so excited to open the Utada topic when the fans were going on a rampage with those. I didn't even mean to start anything lol I just said Boku wa Kuma -Catholic Church version- and then it took off

Zahara · #**236** 28th July 2014, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by orangeakira

^She's given us ONE new song in the last 4 years. She can record herself on the toilet sobbing from the pain of extreme explosive diarrhea after eating half her weight in Mexican food and taking half a bottle of laxatives because it makes her feel alive for all I care. I'll take what I can get.

ILoveGeniuses · #**237** 28th July 2014, 09:24 PM

TBH, as far as Hikki Remixes go, I think the only one I've ever heard was the one on the Colors single, which an old friend lent me once... I liked it a lot. However, I sadly admit I've never bothered listening to any others.

orangeakira · #**238** 28th July 2014, 09:59 PM

^It's not like she has many.

Not including her American stuff these are her remixes:

Spoiler:

It looks like a lot when you line them up like that, but it's really not much considering she's been in the business for 15 years.

**ayumisrael** · #**239** 28th July 2014, 10:02 PM

I always considered Addicted to You (Up-In-Heaven Mix) like an original version because it's in the album and it's not really remixed (or mixed with anything). =P

orangeakira · #**240** 28th July 2014, 10:05 PM

^I added it just for the hell of it. I consider it the original version too.