[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~MOON/blossom~ - Page 11

**ayumisrael** · #**201** 15th July 2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE

...because less people bought it compared to her other recent singles?

But it's outselling talkin' 2 myself by daily numbers total sales (for now anyway).
talkin' 2 myself sold 45,095 in its first 2 days.
Also MOON/blossom's 2 days total is just 6 copies less than S/S 2 days total...
Of course it might drop like a rock and change the difference but I don't think that there will be such a big difference in the total sales from her recent singles or at least S/S considering how it sells at the moment, which is pretty normal.

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Originally Posted by roanmy

Her sales ARE going down on a constant curve, so he/she IS right to say that. Though I think it would be wise to wait until the first week is over to do it, probably. I hope she stays at or above 10K tomorrow, bu realistically I'm expecting 8-9K.

She was right saying that they are lower (even though we don't know the total sales yet or the total of the first week so it's still early, not expecting anything though), but the use of "lower than normal" is wrong, since if her total sales barely drop between the singles then the sales are pretty normal for her. It's known the the sales are decreasing but it's not drastic, so isn't it normal?

Btw you are generous, I would say it will sell around 6,000 tomorrow.

roanmy · #**202** 16th July 2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael

But it's outselling talkin' 2 myself by daily numbers total sales (for now anyway).
talkin' 2 myself sold 45,095 in its first 2 days.
Also MOON/blossom's 2 days total is just 6 copies less than S/S 2 days total...
Of course it might drop like a rock and change the difference but I don't think that there will be such a big difference in the total sales from her recent singles or at least S/S considering how it sells at the moment, which is pretty normal.

She was right saying that they are lower (even though we don't know the total sales yet or the total of the first week so it's still early, not expecting anything though), but the use of "lower than normal" is wrong, since if her total sales barely drop between the singles then the sales are pretty normal for her. It's known the the sales are decreasing but it's not drastic, so isn't it normal?

Btw you are generous, I would say it will sell around 6,000 tomorrow.

I don't think comparing it to talkin' 2 myself (or B&D/Pride) is the right thing to do, because both of them sold abnormally low at the time they were released, MOON/blossom is selling more like we saw coming. I agree that wording it below normal may be a bit faulty, actually didn't notice that, but it is steadily decreasing, so... I'd still feel it'll be low if she can't pass the 100K mark though.

**ayumisrael** · #**203** 16th July 2010, 12:38 AM

Even though talkin' 2 myself was released in 2007 were sales in general were way better in miles =P but yeah... they do steadily drop so it's correct in that matter.

Btw, I finally found sales of some of ayu's oldest DVDs/VHS, if people are interested I will post them tomorrow since I'm off to sleep, dead tired. (They are rounded)

ストロボ・EdGE · #**204** 16th July 2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness

Eh, really?

Anyway, it's best to ignore the novice trolls.

I'm... not a troll...

Of course it's selling less than her other singles, didn't you see the first two days' sales?

Not that that's a bad thing... Industry as a whole has gone down, etc etc no need to repeat that which everyone knows, but of course this has sold less and probably will as a whole. But that doesn't devalue it, at least for me anyway.

truehappiness · #**205** 16th July 2010, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by roanmy

Her sales ARE going down on a constant curve, so he/she IS right to say that. Though I think it would be wise to wait until the first week is over to do it, probably. I hope she stays at or above 10K tomorrow, bu realistically I'm expecting 8-9K.

Her sales are going down yes, but it's not like they've been dropping every release. I mean, they went from from 2003 - 2005 but no one seemed to really make a big deal about that...

And now people are a bit flustered because she's selling 10-20k less than she "normally" did since 2007ish? It's not like Ayu's the only one suffering in this market. (There are people who are successful, but they're more exceptions, I think.)

Kingdom · #**206** 16th July 2010, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE

I'm... not a troll...

Of course it's selling less than her other singles, didn't you see the first two days' sales?

Not that that's a bad thing... Industry as a whole has gone down, etc etc no need to repeat that which everyone knows, but of course this has sold less and probably will as a whole. But that doesn't devalue it, at least for me anyway.

This, people take things way out of proportion. It's not like I was even trashing her, I was defending her.

A lot of people are saying the sales are horrible but I think they're perfectly fine.

You are deffo not a troll

~*Mabushii*~ · #**207** 16th July 2010, 04:57 AM

There are still people who would LOVE to get this many sales of an ALBUM in Japan..
So.. really, I don't think it's horrible.
I have hopes that this can sell fairly well in Ayu terms..

love in music · #**208** 16th July 2010, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii

This, people take things way out of proportion. It's not like I was even trashing her, I was defending her.

A lot of people are saying the sales are horrible but I think they're perfectly fine.

You are deffo not a troll

Like who? All I've seen are posts congratulating her.

Kingdom · #**209** 16th July 2010, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by identity

Like who? All I've seen are posts congratulating her.

I visit many different sites/forums, not just AHS. People just like to call her a flop for the fun of it when it's not even flopping.

love in music · #**210** 16th July 2010, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ero-kakkoii

I visit many different sites/forums, not just AHS. People just like to call her a flop for the fun of it when it's not even flopping.

Oh, I do too but I haven't seen any of that.

gallowsCalibrator · #**211** 16th July 2010, 05:20 AM

Ehh? Ayu isn't selling millions anymore, but she's still #1!!! I don't get why people are calling her a flopper (@_@) I'm glad no one on AHS says that~!

Ah well... Trolls will be trolls

(reason why I love AHS~ least trolls

)

ANYWAY, I love the sales; she's doing really well (^^)

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ · #**212** 16th July 2010, 05:38 AM

i'm sure this single's final sales will be around 110k like glitter/fated...

**ayumisrael** · #**213** 16th July 2010, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~

i'm sure this single's final sales will be around 110k like glitter/fated...

You mean Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ XDDD
glitter/fated sold 166,203 hahaha.

roanmy · #**214** 16th July 2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness

Her sales are going down yes, but it's not like they've been dropping every release. I mean, they went from from 2003 - 2005 but no one seemed to really make a big deal about that...

And now people are a bit flustered because she's selling 10-20k less than she "normally" did since 2007ish? It's not like Ayu's the only one suffering in this market. (There are people who are successful, but they're more exceptions, I think.)

Internet wasn't all that widespread five years ago, so that might be why xD

njanjayrp · #**215** 16th July 2010, 07:44 AM

^ and we didn't check Oricon every day ^_^

y_nathz · #**216** 16th July 2010, 08:30 AM

the total sales until the first two days is great enough, I'm proud of her, hopefully she'll keep the #1 streak

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ · #**217** 16th July 2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael

You mean Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~ XDDD
glitter/fated sold 166,203 hahaha.

woopsss~~~ sorry..

TeddyGrahams · #**218** 16th July 2010, 09:52 AM

Overall, adequate sales from a single with virtually zero promotion.

I really dislike the marketing strategies and the recent budget for ayu since the release of Next Level. Are they trying to get the least amount of effort for highest profits? If so, they're making a horrible decision.

By comparing the amount of cost and effort for promoting other avex artists with ayu, the gap is clear and daunting. Just look at Koda's latest single and the soon to be Namie's new single.

/end rant - I hate avex marketing for ayu.

truehappiness · #**219** 16th July 2010, 10:05 AM

Ayu recently mentioned that she doesn't seem to have enough time to do promo, but this will be just for MOON / blossom. The other two singles will have promotion.

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*1　6,062　浜崎あゆみ
*2　3,925　嵐
*3　3,740　氷川きよし

*4　氷室京介
*5　BREAKERZ
*6　怪物くん
*7　ヘキサゴンオールスターズ
*8　Berryz工房
*9　ryo（supercell） feat.初音ミク／kz（livetune） feat. 初音ミク
10　FTIsland

55k total so far?

njanjayrp · #**220** 16th July 2010, 10:07 AM

@Teddy - well quantity doesn't mean better quality (and while Gossip Candy is an over-all good single, I can't say the same for the other one). Avex doesn't invest in Namie's promo as they do not handle her promotion and Ku is handled by Rhythm Zone, so all of them have different ways of promoting.

So I am guessing the weekly sales will be around 72k - not bad at all.