Lovey Dovey's are Cry Crying in T-ara's THIRD THREAD - Page 12

freedreamer · #**221** 6th April 2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by adantatu2

That's my reason in the past to avoid groups, you love them, but there are always changes with members and style.
AFTERSCHOOL and AKB48 got a graduation and admission system since their beginning, but now this guy is just doing what he wants, no what fans want.

YES THIS! it wasnt even established and he is just adding when he feels like it. totally uncalled for.

ayurocks20 · #**222** 6th April 2012, 02:41 PM

BEST IDEA EVER at the end of my rant:

Sorry everyone but their CEO is a C.U.N.T.

I know that I'll get in trouble for the language but... there's no other way of putting it. He's a disgusting, cruel and selfish human being. None of the fans want new members. None of the fans are going to love T-ARA with new members as much. I'm certain he's about to ruin T-ARA for good.

They train so hard and work so hard and for what? For him to say disgusting things like that? I honestly think he should be arrested and sued for his behaviour. He treats them in a way that is the very opposite of humane. He's a greedy and disgusting human being. He keeps referring to himself as a man who's created many famous groups. I'm sorry, but besides T-ARA, how many of his groups have made it? Co-Ed stank the floor. 5Dolls went nowhere.

Idea:Why doesn't he use his pathetic little brain and listen to the fans. I'm officially setting up a youtube video strike against this called "Save T-ARA". I'm going to get in touch with as many fans as possible holding up signs saying "LEAVE T-ARA ALONE!". If you're a fan of T-ARA, please join in the video. Details about it will be posted soon. I seriously think this manager needs to be shown just how much he's p.i.s.s.ing everyone off.

Tom Punks · #**223** 6th April 2012, 03:02 PM

lmao... Their company is rapidly becoming the laughingstock of k-pop. They look like such idiots.

I'm pissed AGAIN, but like, this is the 20,000th time I've been pissed at them, so it's like, why do I even bother with this group anymore? I love T-ara, but their management is absolute crap, and it makes me not want to support the girls because I don't want to support their ****** company. True story.

AyusakiFan · #**224** 6th April 2012, 03:32 PM

I honestly wish that T-ara would just leave CCM and go to another record label. Their CEO clearly doesn't know what he's doing based on his track record concerning other groups that have gotten no where. The only group that is relevant under that label is T-ara and he's about to screw up the one good thing he has going. As much as I love T-ara, it's going to be hard to support a group that can't remain stable because of a CEO on a power trip. Who in the world changes a groups dynamics after they have already gained success? How does that make any sense?

ayurocks20 · #**225** 7th April 2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AyusakiFan

I honestly wish that T-ara would just leave CCM and go to another record label. Their CEO clearly doesn't know what he's doing based on his track record concerning other groups that have gotten no where. The only group that is relevant under that label is T-ara and he's about to screw up the one good thing he has going. As much as I love T-ara, it's going to be hard to support a group that can't remain stable because of a CEO on a power trip. Who in the world changes a groups dynamics after they have already gained success? How does that make any sense?

Unfortunately, changing labels isn't as simple in Korea as it is in Japan. This is because all the labels in Korea are actually more like talent agency. Each Label(Talent Agency) owns the rights to the name of the group, the songs they produce, the members stage names and etc. In other words, if all the members of T-ARA decided to go to YG, they'd probably get sued for copyright infringement by their previous CEO. The members of T-ARA don't make T-ARA, the company does. He could remove everyone from the group and replace them and he could still call them T-ARA. Luckily, the group is signed record labels in Japan which means they could call the quits in Korea and work as a group in Japan, but that would mean they would never be allowed to release anything in Korea ever again.

However, some groups like BIGBANG or Brown Eyed Girls, who are responsible for some of the song compositions and group forming, have a better chance of being able to swap agencies.

AyusakiFan · #**226** 7th April 2012, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ayurocks20

Unfortunately, changing labels isn't as simple in Korea as it is in Japan. This is because all the labels in Korea are actually more like talent agency. Each Label(Talent Agency) owns the rights to the name of the group, the songs they produce, the members stage names and etc. In other words, if all the members of T-ARA decided to go to YG, they'd probably get sued for copyright infringement by their previous CEO. The members of T-ARA don't make T-ARA, the company does. He could remove everyone from the group and replace them and he could still call them T-ARA. Luckily, the group is signed record labels in Japan which means they could call the quits in Korea and work as a group in Japan, but that would mean they would never be allowed to release anything in Korea ever again.

However, some groups like BIGBANG or Brown Eyed Girls, who are responsible for some of the song compositions and group forming, have a better chance of being able to swap agencies.

Thank you so much for the information.This whole situation is just a mess. The only thing that would make me happy regarding the addition of the two new members would be if they were Davichi and they didn't implement a admission and graduation situation. But anyways, here's another article regarding the addition of the 2 new members:

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[12.04.06] What's the role of the 2 new members of T-ara?

Changes that will be made to girl group T-ara have been revealed. The current 7 members will be strengthen by the addition of 2 more members, forming a 9 member girl group.

Kim Kwangsoo, T-ara and Core Contents Media's CEO revealed to "DISPATCH' on the 5th that T-ara will have 2 new members and will operate as a 9 member girl group.

What's the rationale behind the 9 member T-ara? Kim Kwang Soo revealed that this was a decision so as to help T-ara solidify its position in the music industry. Adding in 2 members who are outstanding in their singing abilities is to help them fulfill their role as singers even better in the future.

This is also to bring about a breathe of fresh air into the group, as Lead Vocalist Soyeon usually carries most of the responsibilities in singing when the group is promoting. The 2 new member will help to reduce the burden on Soyeon. Furthermore, with an even stronger vocal line, T-ara will have more choices when it comes to songs in the future.

Kim KwangSoo added that "The 2 new members are around the same age as the current members and brought about even more harmony to the current team." and "The new members are good in singing, that's why there are invited to join and help T-ara grow and develop as singers".

T-ara also added their 7th member Hwayoung in July 2010 on their initial 6 member foundation.

Source: http://dispatch.co.k...page=1&idx=9869
Translated by: xxxiang@Diadem

AyumiAi · #**227** 7th April 2012, 05:08 AM

^lol so he's basically saying that no one on T-ara is worthy of having lines apart form Soyeon and is having to bring in two other girls to sing and now putting the rest of the girls as back up... gah! FACKER!!! I mean I guess I'm interested in seeing how this will give them more "variety" in their song choices but im still mad... this means even less time for Boram

AyusakiFan · #**228** 7th April 2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AyumiAi

^lol so he's basically saying that no one on T-ara is worthy of having lines apart form Soyeon and is having to bring in two other girls to sing and now putting the rest of the girls as back up... gah! FACKER!!! I mean I guess I'm interested in seeing how this will give them more "variety" in their song choices but im still mad... this means even less time for Boram

In my opinion, he could have just distributed more lines amongst the other girls if he didn't want Soyeon to carry most of the songs. He didn't need to add to newbies to fix that issue. I interested in seeing how this will turn out as well but I certainly don't feel like the CEO knows what he's doing as usual.

Tom Punks · #**229** 7th April 2012, 01:50 PM

^ Right? It's not like no one else in the group can sing at all, like Eunjung or something.

freedreamer · #**230** 7th April 2012, 03:47 PM

Eunjung has ONE HELLA OF A VOICE! I dunno why she cant exploit it.
and anyway at the style of their songs, they honestly cant showcase their vocals at all...

im still hoping for a ballad like Good Person to be sung by T-ara agian (ok..maybe Cry Cry Ballad...but)

Tom Punks · #**231** 8th April 2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by freedreamer

and anyway at the style of their songs, they honestly cant showcase their vocals at all...

Right? It was all good at first, but over time, they've given them more and more songs that don't suit their voices at all.

AyumiAi · #**232** 8th April 2012, 05:45 AM

http://www.allkpop.com/2012/04/op-ed...o-punish-t-ara

this article makes me so MAD at KKS

4minute Girl · #**233** 8th April 2012, 06:17 AM

I like all of the girls voices, but it's true that they don't have much power. Soyeon's range is very limited (she struggles to hit high notes all the time, she usually resorts to lipsyncing anything outside of a small range), and Eunjung doesn't have much control. Jiyeon's is nice too, but not very memorable. Same for Boram. I really love all of their voices as a fan, but from a technical point of view, they could use much better vocalists in the group. I'm welcome to new members, as long as they deliver what KKS has promised!

Personally, I don't think it'll have much of an effect on their success. They've never relied much on a steady fanbase, their lack of an official fanclub is proof of that, but rather on the support of the general public. For a group as famous as they are, the size of their fanbase has always been a bit disproportionately small. Aside from Eunjung and Jiyeon (and Hyomin and Soyeon, to an extent) the other members aren't really known outside of the T-ara/idol fandom. Whatever issues they have internally have never really affected their success because people who aren't that into idols frankly just don't care. They've been through a lot of things that have put dents in their fanbase, but strangely enough not even a child porn scandal was enough to be detrimental to their mainstream success. Just for comparison's sake, a group like SHINee would be on the opposite end of the spectrum. They have quite a large fanbase but they've yet to achieve any type of mainstream success like T-ara has.

I believe what KKS is aiming to do is trying to maintain their success with the general population by keeping things from getting old, maybe at the expense of their core fanbase. Honestly, they've switched concepts so much that they've done everything they can, with the way they are now. They could easily continue with the Roly Poly/Lovey Dovey/etc. type songs, or whatever else they've tried in the past and those songs would continue to be hits, because the existing fans will obviously eat everything up. A good example of this would be Super Junior. They're a hugely popular group, but quite boring and stagnant in my opinion. That's what they're trying to prevent, I think. By adding 2 members with stronger vocals, they'll be able to try out new types of songs and avoid getting comfortable and putting themselves in a rut by deciding it's good enough to stay as they are now.

AyumiAi · #**234** 8th April 2012, 06:33 PM

^
i don't mind them adding 2 members if it's just WERE ADDING TWO NEW MEMBERS

But it's were adding two new members for the purpose of creating competition amongst the group and the moment someone doesnt comply with everying KKS says they will be kicked out.

Tom Punks · #**235** 8th April 2012, 07:23 PM

^ Yeah... :l Though tbh I'm against them adding new members, period. They already know that the fans are absolutely against the idea. To this day, there's almost NO ONE who likes Hwayoung or wants her in the group. And no one had anything positive to say as soon as we heard their were plans to change the group lineup.

It sucks for the current members AND the new girls who are going to be hated by all fans forevermore.

Their CEO is a total idiot and he's making a huge fool of himself. He doesn't care about T-ara, he doesn't care about the fans, all he cares about is power and money. Too bad he's too stupid to realize that there is absolutely NO LOGIC in changing a group right when they're starting to get popular.

I sincerely hope Korean fans will be smart enough to boycott their next release, or any future releases until the CEO gets an ounce of sense in him.

ETA: Saying they've done all they can do with their current lineup is kind of silly, no offense. They've had like, what, 7 title tracks? lol There's still PLENTY of concepts and sounds to explore, or else I don't know how people like Kuu or Ayu could make it through 50+ singles. The problem with Super Junior isn't that they have nothing left they can do, it's that SME found a sound that fans will eat up so they keep recycling it. Why risk going for a new sound when Sorry Sorry part 5000 will do just as well? Adding two new members to T-ara won't suddenly open up a world of possibilities for new musical experiences.

4minute Girl · #**236** 8th April 2012, 08:41 PM

Of course there are, but there's not much more they can do with their current vocal capabilities (and actually pull it off), which to put it bluntly, are pretty weak. Heck, they even struggled through those performances of Cry Cry (Ballad Version) which isn't even a vocally demanding song to begin with. Ayu and Koda have honestly been doing the same thing for a long time, which is why most of the general public has written them off and they're living off of the support of hardcore fans now. To tell you the truth, they're both pretty much irrelevant to people outside of that group. I realize they've been trying to explore their musical styles now but it's too late. They set themselves up to be stuck in the same box for so long that they're trapped. Weird comparison aside, T-ara's career so far has been based more on good production and good marketing more than anything. They can't keep up the charade for much longer. They need to add more substance and change things up before their man source of support loses interest. >_> People have been complaining for so long that T-ara "can't sing", and now that they say they're adding members who can sing they get mad?

Of course the CEO cares about money and power. This is a business. It's the same for every company. The only difference is that KKS isn't feeding into the fans deluded reality that it's one big happy family relationship. Every idol is expendable, and you can bet your arse that in any other company if one member suddenly starts skipping out on recordings, rehearsals, etc. and interfering with the group's activities that they will be dropped and replaced! Seeya's Nam Gyuri has done so in the past, and he's probably trying to prevent such things from happening in the future by letting them know that it won't be tolerated. Almost every idol knows better than to do that of course, so he probably just said it to garner publicity.

And for the record, most everyone has gotten over Hwayoung and even grown to like her.

I won't even get into their "no vacations" since debut and not seeing their families, because those are all blatant lies just said on variety shows and such for dramatic effect. Everyone makes things up on those. It only takes a few minutes of searching to find that they go on several vacations a year, and somehow they all manage to be their "first vacations since debut" lol. In February, Jiyeon claimed she hadn't seen her family in months, yet you can see her entire family with her in the Lovey Dovey in Tokyo MV (actually, the families of all the girls came to Japan to spend time off with them), which was filmed just a few weeks earlier. CCM/T-ara are known for their noise marketing and their belief that all publicity is good publicity, negative or not. In fact, their entire career was kicked off by a publicity stunt. When they sent Taeyeon's radio show on MBC "Wanna Play" and then went to all the newspapers claiming it was leaked and they were threatening legal action. Turned out a few days later that they sent it to MBC and reviewed it and gave them permission to air it. They had to make a public apology to MBC after that. No doubt the girls are incredibly over worked, but it's also exaggerated and enhanced to get press. That's why that type of stuff doesn't cause as much of a stir in Korea, because most people know the truth. KKS is incredibly notorious for his media play in Korea. No matter if it's good or bad. It's really not hard to disprove their claims using claims they've already made time and time again, but I guess people don't because it wouldn't be as "fun" to gossip about, and everyone loves a conspiracy theory.

Tom Punks · #**237** 8th April 2012, 09:55 PM

^ Meh, I forgot for a second that you're a troll.

4minute Girl · #**238** 8th April 2012, 10:20 PM

What exactly makes me a troll? Are you making this accusation simply because you don't know how else to respond? Everything I said is legitimate and factual. Even if I were a "troll", which I'm not, what was said in my posts is still true. I've been following T-ara since the very beginning, and I don't hold any delusions regarding their situation. I'd be more than happy to compile sources to back up any information you desire.

In other news, the girls are finally going to Europe tomorrow! I can't wait for the videos they upload on YouTube during their trip.

Soyeon will also be featuring in Yangpa's new song on the 24th, and she'll start promoting with her (along with SPEED's Jongkook) in three weeks. And if you weren't already aware, Hwayoung wrote the rap for Yangpa's other song that came out a few days ago.

I'm glad they're getting more experience in the production side of things. Hopefully they can put their skills to use for T-ara in the future!

Tom Punks · #**239** 8th April 2012, 11:57 PM

^ lol, No, I typed up a really long response to your "factual" post but then I looked at your name and realized who I was talking to.

You are obviously a troll. And here are some more:

Spoiler:

Though, tbh, the fact that you imply adding two more members to the group will suddenly give them a variety of new genres, concepts, and styles to explore is proof enough for me.

4minute Girl · #**240** 9th April 2012, 12:12 AM

I've never denied my past. What do those posts from years ago have to do with what I'm saying now? You're grabbing at straws. Regardless of what I've posted in 2010, however trollish they may be, it doesn't change the validity of my posts in 2012. I am not trolling and what's going is completely unrelated to that. Try to derail the conversation all you want, it's not going to change the facts. It's sad that what could have been a civil discussion has turned into you resorting to name calling and dredging up completely irrelevant years old nonsense.

I don't see what's so strange about that. Let's say, hypothetically, that they wanted to try out the type of music Spica is currently doing. How on earth do you think they'd pull that off with the current members? By giving Qri and Boram more lines? The fact is that having a stronger vocal line will give them more opportunities to try out new styles that they're simply not capable of doing now. It's not something I'm implying. It's something that they explicitly stated just a few days ago.