JASMINE is Dreamin' of you in her 3rd thread - Page 14

visionfactory · #**261** 22nd July 2010, 01:53 AM

#2 is so good

I'm so happy for her!

Meat Pao · #**262** 22nd July 2010, 01:58 PM

She's #3 today behind YUI with 5k sold

I hope it doesn't drop drastically over the next few days

AyuGAME · #**263** 22nd July 2010, 04:49 PM

ok..i realise that i put too much hope on the sales...looks like this album just will get around 30k for the first week...we will see

Nackar_91 · #**264** 22nd July 2010, 04:56 PM

30k sounds feasible for the first week. Realistically speaking, I'm guessing 50~60k for total sales.

Then again, Nishino Kana's love one only debuted with 40k but has since sold over 200k! ~~Of course she had a major hit on that album.~~

OogoeDiamond · #**265** 22nd July 2010, 04:59 PM

I think there is nothing to compare - Kana is long term saler - Love one gets 1k a year after release...and JASMINE is not really... xD But I hope she can beat 50 k

keikeiaznqueen · #**266** 23rd July 2010, 03:06 AM

Btw, JASMINE posted a bunch of pictures of the album promo on twitpic.

(i.e. links on her twitter.)

http://twitpic.com/photos/J_A_S_M_I_N_E_

Looks nice actually. Now if only she'd perform live on TV again!

And her sales total is 7980+4985=12965 so far.

visionfactory · #**267** 23rd July 2010, 03:39 AM

I don't really think the album can sell 50k :/ It's a bit too much

adantatu2 · #**268** 23rd July 2010, 04:11 AM

Good sales, probably she can sell 20k-25k in the first week

ストロボ・EdGE · #**269** 23rd July 2010, 04:50 AM

I'm not trying to be the thread downer, but how can you guys seriously think 7K is good for an album...? It's true that it's all about the music and quality and I agree with that, and as for JASMINE she has pure, unadulterated talent, but it won't make me think that these kinds of sales are good.

Prepared for a backlash.

AyUta · #**270** 23rd July 2010, 04:58 AM

#2 is great! Better than I expected, I'm really proud of her

. The actual CD looks amazing, sooo...luxurious, as someone else has said

. I must listen to the album tomorrow in the car!

FIRSTKLAS · #**271** 23rd July 2010, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE

I'm not trying to be the thread downer, but how can you guys seriously think 7K is good for an album...? It's true that it's all about the music and quality and I agree with that, and as for JASMINE she has pure, unadulterated talent, but it won't make me think that these kinds of sales are good.

Prepared for a backlash.

I'm curious about this too.

Are most of us just spoiled by artists like Ayu, Kuu, etc. who normally sell in the tens of thousands on their first day that it skews our expectations when, in actuality, selling in the thousands is normal for everyone else?

Because it's kind of funny to me that JASMINE could be #2 with 7k while SMAP is #1 with 65k. The difference between the two amounts makes me wonder what is actually normal for regular artists versus the big names.

ストロボ・EdGE · #**272** 23rd July 2010, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FIRSTKLAS

I'm curious about this too.

Are most of us just spoiled by artists like Ayu, Kuu, etc. who normally sell in the tens of thousands on their first day that it skews our expectations when, in actuality, selling in the thousands is normal for everyone else?

Because it's kind of funny to me that JASMINE could be #2 with 7k while SMAP is #1 with 65k. The difference between the two amounts makes me wonder what is actually normal for regular artists versus the big names.

#2 is excellent, but the album at #1 is almost 7 times the amount. What did the #20 album album sell that day, 5 copies?

An album by an artist on a major label selling an overall 30K or so is pretty much a failure sales wise. People get dropped when they don't sell well.

Again I'm going to emphasize that sales are not everything// Jasmine deserves sales just as good as any top seller in my opinion, and hopefully she'll get to that with future releases, but I just can't see how these sales can be praise worthy whatsoever. I guess some must be glad that she's charting at the very least.

Picaflor 7/4 · #**273** 23rd July 2010, 07:57 AM

Reaching #2 is great! I'm really proud of her for getting that far. but having her album sales not even reach 5 digits? That sucks. But I don't care at all about that crap. All I care about is if I like the songs or not. Yeah, it's great if it sells a lot and reaches really high on music charts. But even if it didn't, as long as I enjoy the music. That's all I care about.

Polyrhythm · #**274** 23rd July 2010, 08:02 AM

Well...being that high on the chart is good exposure for her, even if the sales aren't what you'd like.

Nackar_91 · #**275** 23rd July 2010, 09:52 AM

Maybe not praise worthy, but they're hardly failing.

Aside from sad to say, her songs haven't been promoted all that much, she's barely had any photoshoots, has appeared in very few magazines and has only appeared on TV one time. Her videoclips are all relatively low-budget. It's not like they were gearing her up for a huge debut with at least 100k + sales. I'm thinking they want to go slowly with her, not shove her in the public's face. (Which doesn't work either, look at ICONIQ).

keikeiaznqueen · #**276** 23rd July 2010, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE

#2 is excellent, but the album at #1 is almost 7 times the amount. What did the #20 album album sell that day, 5 copies?

An album by an artist on a major label selling an overall 30K or so is pretty much a failure sales wise. People get dropped when they don't sell well.

Again I'm going to emphasize that sales are not everything// Jasmine deserves sales just as good as any top seller in my opinion, and hopefully she'll get to that with future releases, but I just can't see how these sales can be praise worthy whatsoever. I guess some must be glad that she's charting at the very least.

Forgive me, I'm going to attempt a counter-argument.

Well, JASMINE most certainly isn't going to get dropped considering she actually has a humble following (enough to perform at ZEPP, even if it's for free.) And considering that she's a very little known artist who obviously has been very low budget, I think her sales are okay. Her low-budget-ness actually makes up for her sales. I don't think Sony has aimed JASMINE at being a high-selling commercial artist with mass appeal. :S Especially seeing the way they packaged her. Some new artists on her label sell around the same as her if not less, tbh, like MiChi and Love (the girl band.) And not to mention JASMINE does pretty well in legal downloads.

So major label or not, I don't see how it isn't praise-worthy because getting a #2 for an artist as scarcely exposed as her is really good. She's not even doing so badly, last I checked JASMINE's songs still hung around the chaku-uta chart for ages (I think when Rock 'n' Roll Circus was released, Sad to Say was still charting.) At least she's doing better than those artists always seen doing anime opening and ending songs--those are almost like a dead-end thing, unless you're YUI and get your own movie, or ikimonogakari.

ストロボ・EdGE · #**277** 23rd July 2010, 05:57 PM

^No, no, as long as it's civilized these sorts of discussions are good so I welcome it. It's great that she does well digitally then. I've gotten the feeling that a lot of the artists that have debuted in the past five years or so, since they weren't part of the physical CD boom, fans who bought from that era won't start picking up new artists to follow with physical releases.... so many do legal downloads, which is good too of course.

adantatu2 · #**278** 24th July 2010, 12:02 AM

she is not a celebrity (yet), it's her debut album and she is doing great

Nanako · #**279** 24th July 2010, 08:34 PM

Just had to make a comment on the recent conversation in here.

Why do you guys feel the need to come into this thread and tell people Jasmine's sales are not good enough. We're happy to see a non-commercial artist like Jasmine chart this high. Her biggest single was sad to say which was released a year ago and only sold around 7,000 copies in its first week. None of her singles have had huge tie-ins or mountains of publicity plus she isn't singing the typical J-Urban ballads. TBH, only a handful of artists sell tens of thousands of cds nowadays. If Jasmine is on the verge of being dropped then I'm pretty sure half of Sony's roster would be out the door with her. Just because your on a major record label doesn't mean your automatically going to have major sales, it takes promotion and hype (something that every artist doesn't get).

I think you guys have been skewed by big sellers like Ayu, Kumi, YUI, etc... A lot of artists find it hard to even reach 50K (BENI, Iconiq, SCANDAL, BoA(nowadays)). BENI's album was #1 a few weeks ago and only sold around 25K should Universal drop her?

FIRSTKLAS · #**280** 24th July 2010, 09:57 PM

^Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

*A lot* of Japanese artists don't sell a lot yet they're never dropped by their labels which makes me think that the Japanese record industry must somehow be different from the US one in how they make/use their money.

If every artist on a major label had to make a profit from their physical releases, then people like hitomi and alan from Avex would've been dropped a long time ago. I'm starting to think that the JP industry must work differently if it's still feasible to keep some acts signed despite "low" sales.

I know that salaries come into play when it comes to contracts, so I wonder if for most of these acts, they're really not making that much more money than they would by working at a regular job?