Ayu Schedule #3 - TV Appearances, Magazines, etc.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by identity

I just don't get why you said this in reply to nemesis:



Maybe if you said some of them were, but not all. It makes it seem like you think all of the possibilities that she thinks ayu sung good live must be lip synched or edited. Why don't you take a look over what she listed before you immediately jump into all of your negative thoughts that you enjoy having about posting about ayumi

Because there was only one tv performance listed in what they posted and I had already stated clearly that the only things not subject to debate really were TV performances. And jesus christ, if people are talking about her vocals, why aren't I allowed to give my honest opinion? It certainly doesn't mean I enjoy saying negative things about her, but I'm not going to lie and say her vocals are actually good either. It seems that people only like to pick out the negative things that people post and then harp on them; never mind the fact that I just posted something positive about her PV or her lyrics. Or the fact that if other artists that I like, like Namie or Arashi do something that I don't like I talk about it too.

[Andrenekoi]

^Maybe if u wasn't quoting people who like her vocal to say that they are wrong, that her vocals ARE bad and that u can't understand what is that person parameter to find a vocal performance good... well, maybe people would be a little less defensive x_x

[nemesisyume]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Because there was only one tv performance listed in what they posted

Originally Posted by nemesisyume

I think she has had some ups and downs vocally

like 1998 - 2000 she sounded well... it wasnt WOW
and then 2001 - 2002 she sounded amazing

tour of secret was incredible but then later with talkin 2 myself and stuff
it was just something I didnt want to hear and I think after the Mirrorcle World
lives she started improving much again. AT 08 was already so much better than CDL 07-08.

and then when she sang SEASONS and Days live at FNS I think she sounded great.
and well @ PCDL her vocals were pretty damn good in my not so humble opinion
it was something I actually really enjoyed watching.
and a-nation this year was just as good +++ plus AT 09 what I've seen sounded
pretty nice tho it wasnt perfect all the time.

I didn't know she didn't do any TV performances from 1998 to 2002


I rly don't understand how amazing you have to be to be ok to you guys
is it like... all singers are bad? or is it just your unpopular secret love that is amazing?

[SunshineSlayer]

^ But I never said anyone was wrong. Isn't it obvious that what anyone posts here is opinion? And if I have no barometer for what someone considers is a bad performance, how can I actually have a discussion with them about it?

Originally Posted by nemesisyume

I didn't know she didn't do any TV performances from 1998 to 2002

How am I supposed to know if you mean tv performances or not there? The only tv performance that you actually specified was FNS. And even if you meant tv performances for those too, than that is completely fine because didn't I already say all her tv performances are live? All I said was that concert dvds can't be used. So what's the problem?

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

And jesus christ, if people are talking about her vocals, why aren't I allowed to give my honest opinion? It certainly doesn't mean I enjoy saying negative things about her, but I'm not going to lie and say her vocals are actually good either. It seems that people only like to pick out the negative things that people post and then harp on them; never mind the fact that I just posted something positive about her PV or her lyrics. Or the fact that if other artists that I like, like Namie or Arashi do something that I don't like I talk about it too.

It's not so much that you can't state your opinion, just stop stating it as fact. I know we're all guilty of that sometimes but it just comes off as condescending and "matter of fact" from you. I get that you don't think her vocals have been great since 2006, but you made me feel like I was wrong for thinking they were great. And I got defensive, I apologize for that. Can we PLEASE agree to disagree and drop this?

[Andrenekoi]

^I can't imagine any way of dicussiing vocal quality without being only a matter of taste without going technical... and most people here don't know anything about vocal technique...

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Right, exactly. I thought it should be understood that even if I think her vocals are getting bad, its still obviously just my opinion.

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

It's not so much that you can't state your opinion, just stop stating it as fact. I know we're all guilty of that sometimes but it just comes off as condescending and "matter of fact" from you. I get that you don't think her vocals have been great since 2006, but you made me feel like I was wrong for thinking they were great. And I got defensive, I apologize for that. Can we PLEASE agree to disagree and drop this?

But honestly though, I HAD already agreed to disagree but then it got started up again. But yes, thanks for your apology. It just really gets to me sometimes that (especially with this subject) people can't seem to have a rational discussion about it without jumping on everyone else.

[nemesisyume]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

didn't I already say all her tv performances are live? All I said was that concert dvds can't be used. So what's the problem?

I don't understand how this is related to my post in any way
I just posted where I mentioned TV performances and now it's all about
the TV performances being live again? what?

oh and I didn't want to start a thing like this but
just when I posted that her vocals are sometimes good and sometimes bad
and BAM ''meeeh too many DVDs mentioned''

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Seems there is a breakdown in communication. You quoted me as saying: "So how can you possibly point to those as examples of how good her vocals are?" And then responded with tv performances. BUT my quote was referring to DVD performances. So you kind of confused me because I never said her tv performances were questionable.

[nemesisyume]

this is getting so confusing that even my ayu posters are falling off the walls

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But honestly though, I HAD already agreed to disagree but then it got started up again. But yes, thanks for your apology. It just really gets to me sometimes that (especially with this subject) people can't seem to have a rational discussion about it without jumping on everyone else.

Okay, truce.

[love in music]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Because there was only one tv performance listed in what they posted and I had already stated clearly that the only things not subject to debate really were TV performances. And jesus christ, if people are talking about her vocals, why aren't I allowed to give my honest opinion? It certainly doesn't mean I enjoy saying negative things about her, but I'm not going to lie and say her vocals are actually good either. It seems that people only like to pick out the negative things that people post and then harp on them; never mind the fact that I just posted something positive about her PV or her lyrics.

Yeah.. Nemesis pointed out what I meant.

You're allowed to have your opinion but I'm just going to say it's annoying when usually your posts consist of a negative paragraph relating to ayu + 1-2 positive sentences that are mostly backhanded compliments about ayu + insert "" face here.

[SunshineSlayer]

^ I've never meant anything as a backhanded compliment. It's either a praise or a flat out criticism. There's nothing backhanded at all in saying I love You We're's lyrics or that You We're's PV is my favorite part of the single so far. etc etc. Since when did posting something negative with positive become a bad thing and not a "balanced opinion"? If it seems something is more negative, that is only because the discussion topics on this board usually lean towards subjects that can be perceived as negative. Obviously people aren't going to be able to go on for paragraphs about how pretty Ayu's dress is or how great her hair looks etc etc., because those aren't deep discussion topics.

If something is 100% good, obviously I'm only going to have good things to say about it - for example, her tv performance of Pride in FNS as mentioned in this thread - that is one of Ayu's most perfect moments ever and I have absolutely no criticisms of it AT ALL. But if it is not like that, then it is remiss to say something is perfect if I feel that it is not. And honestly, there are only a few people on this board that are critical of Ayu (in a non-hater way) so that makes those peoples posts stand out more than they probably should.

[tetsuo69]

get used to it , there are some fans that even thought they are always posting nagative things about her, just cant seem to move on and accept they no longer like Ayumi Hamasaki. not saying you cant dislike some things she do or some of her songs or lives. like me, i hate her homo dancers and happy songs like sunset and glitter, but i love most of her ballads and rockish songs and still enjoy some of her lives . the moment i stop liking anything of her will be the day i stop listening to her music and try finding something new ^^

Hope that day never comes

[love in music]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ I've never meant anything as a backhanded compliment. It's either a praise or a flat out criticism. There's nothing backhanded at all in saying I love You We're's lyrics or that You We're's PV is my favorite part of the single so far. etc etc. Since when did posting something negative with positive become a bad thing and not a "balanced opinion"? If it seems something is more negative, that is only because the discussion topics on this board usually lean towards subjects that can be perceived as negative. Obviously people aren't going to be able to go on for paragraphs about how pretty Ayu's dress is or how great her hair looks etc etc., because those aren't deep discussion topics.

If something is 100% good, obviously I'm only going to have good things to say about it - for example, her tv performance of Pride in FNS as mentioned in this thread - that is one of Ayu's most perfect moments ever and I have absolutely no criticisms of it AT ALL. But if it is not like that, then it is remiss to say something is perfect if I feel that it is not. And honestly, there are only a few people on this board that are critical of Ayu (in a non-hater way) so that makes those peoples posts stand out more than they probably should.

When did I say that? That doesn't even sound like a backhanded compliment to me. Honestly, I don't really want to say what I was originally going to say in reply to this because someones feelings could get hurt so I'm just going to say I disagree with most of your posts and thoughts and leave it at that for now.

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Because you made it sound like anything positive I say is a backhanded compliment, which is not the case.

[dreamland2.0]

So she sang you were + rule?!? That's an interesting combination!!! lol I hope she sings BALLAD once!! Or maybe she's saving it for CDL like GREEN? and we'll get an epic performace!! lol

[maze]

Chonchan will appear at 『BEST ARTIST 2009』 on December 15th


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Website: http://www.ntv.co.jp/best-artist/

[Raleigh]

^ Yipeee! Can't wait to see!

[SunshineSlayer]

Yay! I had just checked the Best Artist site not long ago, but nothing was updated. Looking forward to Ayu, Arashi, Speed, and Kuwata Keisuke the most. We'll see who else gets added too.