Who is the pop queen from your country?

[Andrenekoi]

^Well, she was popular enough to be openly against the dictatorship and still untouchable! If she was alive, she would be my first choice^^ I wonder how a Elis concert would be with our current technology, as she had some complex spetacles back in the 70's

@mizuki-7 I wasn't aware about Patricia, gonna check her out! Didn't mention Celine because I see more as a voice diva (as Mariah, Whitney and such) than as a popqueen. But of Course, anyone with the best selling album of the country in history is a living legend. BTW, Shy'm seens to be really big (not Mylene big, even because she is around for only 10 years, but bigger and aging better than Alizee), but I don't know French or ever went there to actually have an idea of her position on the market... What is your opinion about it?^^

@tsumekaze I though about putting Laura, and she is huge over here (and also a close friend of Ivete), but I was insecure about it because I read sometimes people saying she isn't taken very seriuosly in Italy, and I didn't really had the means to read what natives though about her. I love her version of Io canto!

@Mirrorcle Monster, Surreal17, Uknow! Yeap, I mean women who showed longevity, influenced many and changed the music industry, women that everyone that came after them were compared to them, and 8 years isn't long enough for that. Uhm Jung Hwa is an icon that still crosses generation and you can find several current big acts paying tribute to her all over YouTube, while Lee Hyori was a choice based on the AskAKorean blog special about kpop... ^^


edit:

Now that Pimenta mentioned Elis, I think it would be interesting mentioning 3 older pop queens that are still alive and our most famous one worldwide, that is already late:

Spoiler:

Gal Costa was together with Elis and Maria Bethânia (the next one) the biggest singer in Brazil at that time, being "who is the biggest" a recurrent theme of discussion. She experiements a lot with her sound, having a electronic album (and a very good one) released at 66.


Maria Bethânia is called Queen Bee, and she is as respected as she is feared as the true diva she is. She is the 2nd (ignoring Xuxa, as you should) best selling female soloist in Brazil and is well known for mixing erudit, pop and folk music with theater and poetry at her concerts.


Rita Lee is the best selling female soloist in Brazil, and calls herself "dinosour of rock" or "grandma of rock". Even if she is old, she is a ridiculously steady hit maker, spaming huge hits that become staples among teenagers at almost 70. Rita is retired from the stages since 2012 (she actually had some performances here and there after that), and her final show at the time ended in controverse after she told police officers she felt were being aggressive to her audience to fuck themselves (yeap, this is the word she used in portuguese) and, as the rockstar she is, was arrested after the concert at 65.


Carmen Miranda, the most recognizible brazilian popstar in history. She also had success in the USA e at some time, legend says she was the best paid actress in Hollywood. Everytime some one wears a hat of fruits to represent Brazil, they are imitating her.

Also, these 5 very influential ones from jpop, one late, another one retired, and 3 already active:

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Seiko Matsuda, the eternal idol and the ultimate responsable for the nowadays kawaii image jpop stars are known for. Most of the time Ayu was trying to break a record, it was a Seiko record. She still releases music, even if she only her fandom is paying attention, and still sells out arenas all over the country.


Akina Nakamori, she was Seiko's rival during the 80's, having a darker, more mature image. Her albums also are better received (both by critics and the public) than Seiko's nowadays, releasing songs on several genres, even Enka, over the years.


Matsutoya Yumi, the 2nd best selling soloist in Japan, after Ayu. Her career is decades long and she is one of the most acclaimed female musicians in japanese history, also well known by her elaborated and extravagant concerts. Still give young girls a run for their money tour wise.


Momoe Yamaguchi had a 10 years long music career because retiring to become a house-wife (that was a thing in Japan back them), and even if she retired back in the 70's, the media and the public still are interested on her and on her personal life, ever wishing for a glance on her personal life or even better, a comeback.


The French have Edith Piaf, Brazilian have Elis Regina, Chinese have Teresa Tang, and Japanese have Misora Hibari, that singer that was the ultimate voice of the country, a voice nobody will ever come even close to surpass. Hibari wasn't a more popstar, she was the voice of Japan.

And finally, 2 popqueens from Lebanon:

Spoiler:

Nancy Ajram is a huge seller arab pop singer, having also the most viewed arab music video on Youtube, the most followers as a female arab pop singer on Facebook and the most number 1 hits on the history of modern arab music market, Nancy is considered the biggest pop icon of that market from the 00's. (those data are from wikipedia, they may be wrong xD)


Haifa Wehbe, a sexy symbol and controversial popstar, Haifa uses sexuality on her career, both on her lyrics and on her style on a way that wasn't done before over there. She has several hits under her belt, and is considered one of the biggest stars of her generation.

[mizuki-7]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

@mizuki-7 I wasn't aware about Patricia, gonna check her out! Didn't mention Celine because I see more as a voice diva (as Mariah, Whitney and such) than as a popqueen. But of Course, anyone with the best selling album of the country in history is a living legend. BTW, Shy'm seens to be really big (not Mylene big, even because she is around for only 10 years, but bigger and aging better than Alizee), but I don't know French or ever went there to actually have an idea of her position on the market... What is your opinion about it?^^

In fact we don't have a lot of Pop Queen aside of Mylène Farmer they all vanished in the end of 80's lol Now we have some pop stars but nobody not even the media consider them like Pop Queen because their sales are quite weak we are a little like Japan only veteran singers sell a lot lol sometimes young singers will sell a lot of their first album but they disappear quickly !

Shy'm was big 2 or 3 years ago but now she is pretty hated because she was overexposed and is not seen like a bright singer ! More people think she is using her advantageous curves to sell ...


This performance is what ended her great success ... it was seen like a blatant try to be like Rihanna and inappropriate for a prime time show (too much suggestive) since then she struggle a lot and a lot and honestly I think it will be difficult for her in the future ! She is defintly not at the same level as Mylène farmer !!

[Andrenekoi]

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This performance is what ended her great success ... it was seen like a blatant try to be like Rihanna and inappropriate for a prime time show (too much suggestive) since then she struggle a lot and a lot and honestly I think it will be difficult for her in the future ! She is defintly not at the same level as Mylène farmer !!

Really? Holy shit, I love this performance, the dance is amazing xD I watched it everyday for a week after finding it!

@Isicio Well, Gaga lost a lot of power since The Fame Monster days and even her recent awards are kinda suspicious...

[Isicio]

Not from my country but Lady Gaga is one of the best selling divas too.

https://youtu.be/qrO4YZeyl0I

https://youtu.be/PNu_-deVemE

https://youtu.be/yXS1cpSwwbQ

[DonkeyKongRemix]

I think in America, a lot of people think the pop queens are Madonna, Britney Spears, and Beyonce but let me tell you something...

Mariah Carey is definitely at LEAST one of our pop queens. If you just read about how many freakin' albums that woman has sold and her level of influence...it's astounding.

[Andrenekoi]

^Mariah is huge indeed.... Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Barbra Streissand would also fit the title^^

[Aderianu]

Hard question. They need to be well known, rignt? So if I don't know them, they can't be named "queens" xD So I chose Valeriya

[Andrenekoi]

It must be someone you are aware about even if you don't listen to them because they are unavoidable xD I read about Valeriya before and even decided to give it a try, but had no idea from where to begin with xD

[Miku]

I would say for Sweden, is Carola the pop queen, she's been active since 83'
and she's sold several million records, her genres is: Pop, Gospel, Schlager and she has released 24 studio albums, 29 singles




english version of Tommy tycker om mig (Tommy loves me)

[Chibi-Chan]

Oh I didn't noticed this thread before. Well in Germany we have no pop queen that would be as big as Mylène, but when asked about a german pop queen people would name Sarah Connor I guess.
She debuted in 2001, was very popular for a few years and is still regularly releasing music until now.
I would link to a few songs, but I don't have a computer atm. She got popular with the song "Let's get back to bed - Boy!" and became famous all over Germany with her ballad "From Sarah with Love". I guess everyone knows that song. A favourite of mine would be "Under my skin". It's an aggressive pop/dance tune with very explicit sexual lyrics. I also like the video to the song. It's not a masterpiece or something, but I like her attitude in it.
I think she has a great voice and she's also a great singer.

[SayukiChoco]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Oh I didn't noticed this thread before. Well in Germany we have no pop queen that would be as big as Mylène, but when asked about a german pop queen people would name Sarah Connor I guess.
She debuted in 2001, was very popular for a few years and is still regularly releasing music until now.
I would link to a few songs, but I don't have a computer atm. She got popular with the song "Let's get back to bed - Boy!" and became famous all over Germany with her ballad "From Sarah with Love". I guess everyone knows that song. A favourite of mine would be "Under my skin". It's an aggressive pop/dance tune with very explicit sexual lyrics. I also like the video to the song. It's not a masterpiece or something, but I like her attitude in it.
I think she has a great voice and she's also a great singer.

I'm so glad you didn't say Helene Fischer
But I do agree about Sarah Connor. She is singing in German now and I think I like it a little bit more than her singing in English. But both is fine, she has such a good voice.

[Uknow!]

^ Oh, I know Sarah Connor because Under my skin is the same song as Mirotic from DBSK. (I think Sarah Connor was the first to released the song. I liked her and the music video (so cool) but stupid kpop fans criticized her.

From Germany I love so much Cascada, but well, I suppose she doesn't fit with the "pop queen theme".

[Chibi-Chan]

^to be honest I tried to erase Mirotic from my memory. lol I like Tohoshinki, but the lyrics for Mirotic were such misogynystic bullshit. I mean, Sarah's version is like "let's have a one night stand" and Tohoshinki's is like "let me fuck you, bitch". First I also liked their version, but after reading the lyrics. T__T

Haha yeah Cascada.^^ They are actually a duo and were very popular around 2010 together with Groove Coverage, they make VERY similiar music. Groove Coverage also mixed vogue for the last ayu-mi-x. When I'm in trashy party mood love to listen to Cascada!

[Corvina]

I'd actually say Germany doesn't have a pop queen.
Sarah Connor probably is the most popular female pop singer over the last 2 generations, Helene Fisher is a good mention as well (even though she's making just pop inspired Schlager, her sales are higher than those from Sarah Connor and damn, she had a sold out Stadium Tour last year and her concerts are very Ayu and pop like!), but they all lack status imo, especially internationally.
Germany is far more popular for rock and pop bands (and DJs).

[Chibi-Chan]

Yeah I agree with you two. Sarah Connor is who comes closest to a pop queen. I would never say Helene Fischer is a pop queen. What people easily forget when it comes to Schlager and its high sales in general is that the audience of Schlager and pop music is VERY different. Young people don't have the money to buy that much CDs and mostly stream or download (illegal). Whereas people who listen to Schlager are mostly 50+ and those are the people who don't download or stream at all but actually buy music. That's why I don't think sales mean anything when you compare Helene Fischer to Sarah Connor. Not to mention that Sarah debuted 15 years back and managed to establish herself from a teen star to a respected artist who's responsible for her own releases.
And yes, we have far more bigger rock bands and DJs.

Btw, I haven't listened to Sarah's new german album yet. Is it worth a listen?

[Honey_Jae]

My first tought was Helene Fischer or Andrea Berg as well for Germany xD I don't like both of them. But a Pop-Queen...don't know if we ever had one?! Most of German people listen to english music if they don't know asian music or like it. But I agree with you all and would say that Sarah Connor is the one you can mention in this case. We had No Angels and other but these were 5 girls so not a Pop-Queen. And from the other actual German singers there is no one in my mind who deserves this titel.

[Andrenekoi]

I talked about German music with Noidea several times, and he also said he couldn't think of a German pop queen, even if he liked Sarah Connor. I never gave her a try because I don't like musicians based on non english speaking countries singing in English, but I wanna give her a try some day.

He talked a little about Nena (who seens to have somewhat this status at least to some people, considering she was the voice actress for Princess Selenia on the German version of Arthur and the Invisibles, dubbed by Madonna and Mylene Farmer in English and French), but he didn't consider her because he said she was basically a one-hit wonder who was able to capitalize more than once on the same song.

He also hates schlager (and I kept telling him there should be anything interesting or worth of note on the genre before listening to it myself :V), talking a little about Helene Fischer and Andrea Berg. Helene is a really good performer and I listened to the whole Farbenspiel A LOT during 2014, found it to be a really well crafted pop album, but I don't know if she has what it takes to produce more interesting tracks. Andrea Berg felt like a sad, ugly Seiko Matsuda with very bad music, but I don't know if I just listened to the wrong tracks. @_@

Not a popstar, but I found Nina Hagen to be amazing xD We have a very pathetic musician over here who loves her, and I never gave her a try because of him, but damn, she is good!

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I talked about German music with Noidea several times, and he also said he couldn't think of a German pop queen, even if he liked Sarah Connor. I never gave her a try because I don't like musicians based on non english speaking countries singing in English, but I wanna give her a try some day.

Her last release was a German album called "Muttersprache" (mother tongue), I didn't listened to it so I can't say anything regarding this album, but maybe you can give it a try and tell us if it's worth a listen?

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

He talked a little about Nena (who seens to have somewhat this status at least to some people, considering she was the voice actress for Princess Selenia on the German version of Arthur and the Invisibles, dubbed by Madonna and Mylene Farmer in English and French), but he didn't consider her because he said she was basically a one-hit wonder who was able to capitalize more than once on the same song.

Well Nena can't be considered a pop queen simply because she never made pop music. Actually Nena was a band which became popular in the 80's with the anti war song "99 Luftballons" and they made pop/rock music in the German new wave style and their genre therefore would be what we call "Neue Deutsche Welle" (German New Wave).
Later Nena became a solo artist but actually all the songs which made the band popular are still her only hits. She rereleased them with a more poppy arrangement in the 00's and one of the songs was also redone in English together with Kim Wild. I really love "99 Luftballons", "Nur geträumt" und "Irgendwie, irgendwann, irgendwo" (this one especially, it was the one redone together with Kim Wild as "Anywhere, anyplace anytime").

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

He also hates schlager (and I kept telling him there should be anything interesting or worth of note on the genre before listening to it myself :V), talking a little about Helene Fischer and Andrea Berg. Helene is a really good performer and I listened to the whole Farbenspiel A LOT during 2014, found it to be a really well crafted pop album, but I don't know if she has what it takes to produce more interesting tracks. Andrea Berg felt like a sad, ugly Seiko Matsuda with very bad music, but I don't know if I just listened to the wrong tracks. @_@

Oh god please, don't ever again call Schlager pop music. lol It simply isn't. xD Schlager has this Schlager beat which somehow people who aren't from Germany don't seem to notice or at least it doesn't bother them that much. Schlager is fun when you're drunk, but otherwise... god it's just horrible and I still don't get why people, who aren't from Germany, often like it. Bad music and Schlager basically can be used synonymously. lol
But then again people outside of Germany also seem to like those horrible dated 90's trance sounds like the "vogue (Groove Coverage Remix)". The remix is fun but trashy as hell.

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Not a popstar, but I found Nina Hagen to be amazing xD We have a very pathetic musician over here who loves her, and I never gave her a try because of him, but damn, she is good!

Haha yes she's fun. Sadly she seems to have taken to many drugs and is out of her mind and just emberrassing in public today, but she used to be a great artist.

[SayukiChoco]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Btw, I haven't listened to Sarah's new german album yet. Is it worth a listen?

I think it's definitely worth a listen. I'm not her biggest fan, but there are two, three songs which are quite beautiful and nice to listen to. You should give it a try!

Originally Posted by Honey_Jae

My first tought was Helene Fischer or Andrea Berg as well for Germany xD I don't like both of them. But a Pop-Queen...don't know if we ever had one?! Most of German people listen to english music if they don't know asian music or like it. But I agree with you all and would say that Sarah Connor is the one you can mention in this case. We had No Angels and other but these were 5 girls so not a Pop-Queen. And from the other actual German singers there is no one in my mind who deserves this titel.

Andrea Berg omg But you're right, she has high sales too. I also agree with you guys that Schlager is NOT Pop music. There's just this difference that I can't really express. Maybe it's the beat like Chibi-Chan said.
Anyway, I also can't really think of someone else as a Pop queen apart from Sarah Connor... Maybe Jeannette Biedermann or Yvonne Catterfeld?

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by SayukiChoco

I think it's definitely worth a listen. I'm not her biggest fan, but there are two, three songs which are quite beautiful and nice to listen to. You should give it a try!



Andrea Berg omg But you're right, she has high sales too. I also agree with you guys that Schlager is NOT Pop music. There's just this difference that I can't really express. Maybe it's the beat like Chibi-Chan said.
Anyway, I also can't really think of someone else as a Pop queen apart from Sarah Connor... Maybe Jeannette Biedermann or Yvonne Catterfeld?

Ok, I will then! =)

Ah Jeanette and Yvonne! I totally forgot about those two! If they would have stayed relevant after the beginning of the 00's they would have had the potential to become some kind of pop queen. I don't know, are they still active?