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#21
1st July 2004, 04:17 AM
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Tim was the only person who said anything about supporting Ayu. So if anyone should be called a fanboy, it should be him- or atleast with those standards. This isn't about supporting Ayu. This is about giving people money for breaking the law. You just don't get it... 
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#22
1st July 2004, 04:23 AM
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Don't get so worked up over this people
 I used to buy bootlegs all the time last time...  Yeah I was in financial difficulties. But now when I have more in my pocket, I make it a point to avoid bootlegs and buy the originals. I'm pretty sure everyone has it in them. They won't go over and choose the bootlegs if they can help it. Just don't get used to buying booties I guess, in a way you're getting yourself ripped off your money too. And bootlegs are like a vicious cycle. The more profit their illegitimate business brings in, the more high-quality their copies will become, and in larger quantities as well. Higher quality bootlegs draws more people to buy them. Rinse and repeat. I know this because I come from a place where it's like bootleg heaven  Anyway download the ones you're missing and burn them if you can... please don't support the bootleggers. And stay cool people... don't let this get to your heads 
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#23
1st July 2004, 04:31 AM
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i know that bootlegs kinda steals money from ayu, and i dun wanna be unfaithful to ayu. but think about it, she earns enough money anyway - she's rich, hello? She earns the largest salary per year of ANYONE in japan, and avex tries to charge us like $100 (yep, in australian dollars that's wot it almost turns out to be). i guess with so many clips it's worth it, but who has that kinda money to spend on a hobby. and we always say 'we wanna be faithful to ayu' but at the risk of getting yelled at here: news flash, she's not gunna get offended, she doesn't know us. you can do a lot worse things, i mean we act like she's our family or she actually knows us but the ayu we 'love' is not real. she's a product, she said so herself. ok im done lol
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#24
1st July 2004, 04:34 AM
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The horror! -_-
Phantoma's right though. We have a downloads section. The album or whatever was bough once, and then is just distributed out to anyone. That's not supporting her (more than once). Even with bootlegs, the product had to be bought at one point.
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Last edited by paper_doll; 1st July 2004 at 04:46 AM.
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#25
1st July 2004, 04:40 AM
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Aye aye aye!
The point is not that bootlegs're are being "unfaithful" to Ayu or making her loose money! The point is: Bootlegs are KILLING the music industry. I've seen many local bands die out because their CDs won't sell well enough thanks to bootlegs. It's tragic. Yeah a few bootlegs won't hurt Ayu but it will to small-time indie bands trying to get a name for themselves. Buying Ayu's bootlegs, or ANYONES in that matter, supports the bootleggers, and in return they make more bootlegs, of OTHER artists. Eventually they bootleg everything just to bring in money. And it works in the worst possible way for the new bands/artists. People aren't sure if their music is good or not so they just buy the cheap bootlegs. In the end, the newbies won't get enough copies sold to keep their recording contract. It's THAT SERIOUS. Haiz... I'm sorry if I sounded too harsh or something but this is a serious matter... it just kinda irks me when people don't understand the seriousness of buying bootlegs. It was kinda funny when a few bands died out due to bootlegs, but I've seen enough people with potential fall it's not even abit funny anymore. Please try to understand people...
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#26
1st July 2004, 04:58 AM
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Not all money earned from CD sales goes to Ayu, though. Most of it goes to Avex and its employees. So while Ayu may have a lot of money, it doesn't mean that we should all start buying bootlegs so she'll get poor or something.
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#27
1st July 2004, 05:03 AM
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but to the artist, how is file sharing any better than bootlegging? they're still not getting the money for their hard work. regardless of who's getting the money, ayu or avex, it's still stealing.
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#29
1st July 2004, 07:15 AM
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yea i know u guys are right, i know bootleg cds are wrong, its just that ppl think they're wrong for the wrong reasons sometimes. i think its mostly the morally wrong-ness that would make me feel bad to buy it...
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#30
1st July 2004, 02:26 PM
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upto now, no one's flamed anyone else, and we've been having a serious conversation civilly. can't we have one without some completely unnecessary "calm down" comments? i don't mean to offend, but as soon as some people see a debate, they bring out red flags and assume it's a flame war, which this is not.
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#31
1st July 2004, 02:32 PM
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edit: Removed the  smily. I think the irony is clear enough without already.edit #2: Just to make sure, i was supporting your post.
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#32
1st July 2004, 02:40 PM
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XD, i woulda gotten it without the disclaimer
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1st July 2004, 07:39 PM
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Ironic is a good song.
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#35
1st July 2004, 08:56 PM
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There's really not a point in continuing this thread at all since Phantoma already set himself up to be hardheaded and defensive right from the beginning.
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#37
2nd July 2004, 01:54 AM
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I agree that it is good to support Ayu and stuff, but sometimes I succumb to going the cheaper route when it comes to concerts. Heck, I bought a video taped version of Dome Tour 2001 taped from Sky Perfect TV because I wanted the concert so badly when it first came out. My main problem with bootlegs is that you pay for crap and that's usually what you get. A few years ago, I bought a bootleg of Ayu-mix III NSMM thinking it was a legit version. Not only was it missing the second disc, but they misspelled the names of every remix, Ayu's symbol was printed upside down numerous times, and the mega mix cd skipped at the end. It was extremely poor quality and it showed. The bottom is that Ayu's stuff isn't sold in America or Europe, and it's hard to come by. Places like Yesasia are great and all for us outside of Japan and Asia, but if you are going to go the cheap way and get a bootleg, you are usually selling yourself short quality wise.
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#38
2nd July 2004, 02:22 AM
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right, first off, Sven, you are one of the funniest, most sarcastic people i've ever had the joy of meeting
Secondly, yes, bootlegging is bad, but i myself have been responsible for buying a bootleg in the past, and yes, i KNEW it was a bootleg before purchasing it. However, this was not and Ayu bootleg, it was the Archives Of Studio Ghibli box set. Yes, what i did was wrong, but at the same time, i really couldn't care less. IF companies wanted their official products to be bought world wide, then release the damn things world wide. At the time i bought the box set, Princess Mononoke was the only ghibli movie available within the UK, so i think i'm almost justified in what i did. (plus i'd read that the official box set was no longer available in japan. However, i would try my utmost hardes to stay away from Ayumi bootlegs as, when I buy an ayu item, i want an official one, but mostly for the sentimental value that it would bring as every ayu item i can obtain would be special to me. At the same time though, a lot of us here are teens with no real source of income, I earn £12 a week for crying out loud, that's like what, a trip to the cinema with a bag of popcorn and a large coke. I would love to have every official ayu item under the sun, but get real. I know i love ayumi to bits, but in the future, what if i decide i no longer like her. I'd look back and think, DAMN, i wasted £1000+ and i don't even like her now. All i'm trying to say is yes, bootlegs are bad, but buying all the official items is just plain crazy. One member (my apologies for not paying attention to exactly who it was) claimed to be young and have spent at least $300 on official Ayu items. I can stand here and say (well, sit and type) that i am 17 years old and own a whole... 5 Ayumi items. They are the & single, memorial Address, stadium tour dvd, 2004 calendar (which may i add, i must change today) and the memorial address poster. Yes, i would like to own more, and will hopefully be buying some stuff at the end of the year, but i own only those 5 items after 5 years of fandom, all down to the fact that i'm young, and have never had the money to spend on such things. Finally, yeh, downloading is basically the same as buying bootlegs, and that's something everyone should be ashamed of, but meh, we're still gonna do it
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#39
2nd July 2004, 10:59 AM
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I bought two Fushigi Yugi Bootlegs for that same reason. They should release the damn things here. We have specialist hobby shops, why not specialist music stores that import Asian music. They should realise by now alot of Asian people live in the UK..so..sell the music..and us British people will buy it too..they don't seem to realise ho wmuch money they stand to make out of selling the stuff. x_x
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2nd July 2004, 01:55 PM
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You hit the nail on the head there my friend
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