What's wrong with avex? - Page 2

PSYCHEDELICOdust · #1 2nd July 2005, 11:05 AM

Its the face they can blame everything on. Its like H!P fans and Tsunku. Its easy.

I've never seen anything other than sound business plans from avex. I see nothing wrong with them on that point. Although I'd love for my artists not to burn out from being pushed a lot.

luminaire · #2 2nd July 2005, 02:23 PM

I think most of the issues raised by fans with Avex are mainly due to how they treated Ayu, given the "A BEST" and "A" incidents. But otherwise, there really isn't anything wrong with how they do business - because all other companies do the same. Look at Toshiba-EMI, what they did to Onitsuka Chihiro.

That doesn't mean that trying to force artists to quit is right though (even though by simple logic, profits and costs show it probably just isn't viable to keep them there), it just shows that Avex isn't any different from any of the other labels out there.

ohsixthirty · #3 2nd July 2005, 02:25 PM

You're looking for facts and sources, but I honestly think there aren't any to give. The majority of us know very little about Avex and I just don't think we have any concrete evidence that Avex is "bad."

luminaire · #4 2nd July 2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar

You're looking for facts and sources, but I honestly think there aren't any to give. The majority of us know very little about Avex and I just don't think we have any concrete evidence that Avex is "bad."

Not really, if you consider evolusean's experiences. But otherwise, you're very right about that, I guess.

ohsixthirty · #5 2nd July 2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by luminaire

Not really, if you consider evolusean's experiences. But otherwise, you're very right about that, I guess.

but even that experience doesn't state to me that avex is a bad company. sure they may have been rude, but who's to say that even though they are rude, that they aren't incredible at what they do?

of course, no one likes someone who is rude, haha!

i wish we had factual statistics to look at.

***ImpactBreaker*** · #6 2nd July 2005, 03:02 PM

The fact that the people at the reception are rude does not mean the company is "evil" in any means. Maybe if you report such people to the managers, they would do something about it? There are stores you go where you can find rude rude people and others who don't, sometimes it's actually something wrong with certain specific people and not the whole company.

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Originally Posted by touchedstar

You're looking for facts and sources, but I honestly think there aren't any to give. The majority of us know very little about Avex and I just don't think we have any concrete evidence that Avex is "bad."

I don't think nmskalmn is looking for sources stating that avex is "bad". I think her point is to understand why people put the blame in avex as if it is the absolute truth, when actually there's no evidence/source that avex is much more than a business company like any other out there. What sources/evidences are the people getting based at to make such accusations, if they do exist? I think that's what she's asking (I might be wrong though

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***nmskalmn*** · #7 2nd July 2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

I don't think nmskalmn is looking for sources stating that avex is "bad". I think her point is to understand why people put the blame in avex as if it is the absolute truth, when actually there's no evidence/source that avex is much more than a business company like any other out there. What sources/evidences are the people getting based at to make such accusations, if they do exist? I think that's what she's asking (I might be wrong though

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I started this thread to find out if there was a rational reason why many AHS members hate avex and would like Ayu to leave it for another label. I would actually like to see any evidence/sources that exist.

Thus far the dislike of avex appears to based on the release of compilation CDs and marketing tactics like multiple CD designs.

I'll reply to some of the other posts here later when I have free time.

#8 2nd July 2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn

I started this thread to find out if there was a rational reason why many AHS members hate avex and would like Ayu to leave it for another label. I would actually like to see any evidence/sources that exist.

Seems like a case of "the grass is greener" to me. It's so easy for everyone to say, "Leave Avex and switch companies." It's so much more complicated than that. Other companies read the same good and bad news (probably more) that we see in this forum, and there would be some hesitation over taking in a "diva" even if there's big monetary gain. In the industry, a little rumor goes a long way, especially if insiders know that it's true.

#9 2nd July 2005, 07:22 PM

I thihnk it's funny how Ayu was mad about "A best" seeing as it is her best selling album of all time.

TeamAyu · #10 2nd July 2005, 08:07 PM

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I thihnk it's funny how Ayu was mad about "A best" seeing as it is her best selling album of all time.

Even if it is her best selling album, I'd be pretty piss if my own record label tried to end my career.

I can't even imagine all the great music we would have lost if she had quit earlier ;_; scary thought!

PickleCookies · #11 3rd July 2005, 12:03 AM

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Even if it is her best selling album, I'd be pretty piss if my own record label tried to end my career.

I don't think Avex was trying to "end her career." I think, at that time, they just felt that it would be a good time for a "best" compiliation album. Which Ayu took as meaning the end of her career.

RAISKA · #12 3rd July 2005, 06:40 PM

I like Avex, no matter what others say. It's so huge company, that produce really cool, great and famous singers! It makes such cool stars, so, I like it! I will only hate it, if it will make something bad for Ayu...
I think Ayu choosed her way in life herself, I think, if she felt bad, she could go away from Avex everywhere she wanted to, even after "A Song for XX" album. I'm not protecting Avex, but so many people say, how bad it influences on Ayu, but I say, as I think, Ayu choosed herself that life...

hamayu · #13 8th July 2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar

You're looking for facts and sources, but I honestly think there aren't any to give. The majority of us know very little about Avex and I just don't think we have any concrete evidence that Avex is "bad."

well probobly cuz it isnt bad... we just like to think dat way cuz we find dat dere seems to b rumours about avex trying to replace ayu or sometin and we as ayu fans ofcourse will defend her dere for thinking avex is BAAAAAADDDDD. but if u really look for reasons den i guess dere isnt dat many. u never no, maybe dere is...

tl1029530921 · #14 2nd July 2005, 03:33 PM

im not completely sure but i dont think artists under other labels have as much remix albums as those under Avex. Also, i think avex is the company w/ the most CD+DVD singles... Maybe this isnt just exclusive to avex but avex really does push it sometimes.

stardusties · #15 2nd July 2005, 04:07 PM

That's the "A BEST" incident?

Why was Ayumi mad about it?

luminaire · #16 2nd July 2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stardusties

That's the "A BEST" incident?

Why was Ayumi mad about it?

Both "A BEST" and "A" were released in order to try and force Ayu to end her career, for whatever reasons. I don't know if Avex wanted her to pull a Yamaguchi Momoe, but it certainly left her very upset after the "A BEST" incident.

And personally, if you ask me, rude service people indicates a general lack of desire to please the customers, which translates into a poor attitude, and therefore bad management. (Hey, in Singapore you always come across people and shops like that, which really pisses me off. But then again, Avex's a multinational brand - and I'm sure Japanese are really polite people, so.)

**Halla** · #17 2nd July 2005, 05:30 PM

I personally think Avex is the probably the best company in j-pop scene. they have the best producers and marketing crew. just look at Giza (Rina Auchi , Mai Kuraki) , could they be any more mediocore and bland at their music & marketing and etc ? lol

also I think there's a major improvement in for example on the SPEED members solo careers when they moved from Toy's Factory' to Avex ( to Avex's sub-label called Sonic Groove). and we got to hear some SPEED eurobeat remixes now

I like Avex because of their remix projects , Cyber trance & Super Eurobeat remixes are great and only label that releases albums like those is Avex.

but I can see some negative sides on Avex. Sometimes the ways they'll smooch off money from fans are annoying. Multiple covers are one example , but that really just bugs collectors and not average fans tho.
"Want me Want me" release was so lame , namie fans would have to buy both Cd & Cd+DvD version to get the full contenct.
koda Kumi's 'Secret' got a special re-release with added stuff just a little while after the 1st release of the album.

other than stuff like that Avex is a great company. the best for Ayu

#18 2nd July 2005, 05:52 PM

I don't feel Avex is a bad company, per se. But the question was "What's wrong with Avex?". What I feel is wrong with them is their whole attitude toward the business. Entertainment isn't about money, it's about "the craft" (as much as I hate using that term, it is valid here). I have a very old-fashioned point of view as to how showbusiness should be handled, as most people in showbusiness will. It's when the suits exploit their artists (i.e. by favoring the moneymakers instead of nurturing the talent) and patrons (i.e. with all the multiple-choice releases) that really crumbles the cookies.

Toshiba-EMI is the same. Hell, they gave me a fake phone number to call when I went to see them. So Avex is not really any different from any record label these days. I mean, they all have their little differences, otherwise artists wouldn't be able to choose one over the other or vice versa. But from a business standpoint, they're just another major corporation. That doesn't make them likeable, though. And I know they don't need to be likeable to be a successful company. I mean, I think they're despicable and I have little respect for their impersonal tactics; but still I want to work for them because of the abilities they have. They're a strong company, no one can take that away from them.

#19 3rd July 2005, 12:27 AM

Avex doesn't do what all the fans please, that's what's wrong with it.

PickleCookies · #20 3rd July 2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by y2687

Avex doesn't do what all the fans please, that's what's wrong with it.

They get mad that they don't have their 10-track singles anymore, but they'd get mad if they were released, because it's "overworking" Ayu. People complain to complain. I wish they'd shut up already.