Koda Kumi facing "ripoff" problem???

[micster]

*Sits here and laugh*

I always wondered how they managed to compose the music and write the lyrics so fast

Now i know why, as i woulda said, She's a coco-cat

[Uemarasan]

I would like to know what the KinKi Kids song is, so that I can compare it with walking proud. Anyone?

And I don't know the whole story about Ai Otsuka. It sounds disappointing. She's composed a lot of good songs. Would anyone care to elaborate, please?

Could someone also put up the Eric Serra piece? It's unavailable in MegaUpload.

[*Petit*]

I can't find the site, but someone made a web page where you could compare songs. Not every comparison was right though, the ones I can remember sounding ripped off was Smily and Sakuranbo. Smily was totally ripped off, but Sakuranbo was put together by to separate folk songs.

[Uemarasan]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

I can't find the site, but someone made a web page where you could compare songs. Not every comparison was right though, the ones I can remember sounding ripped off was Smily and Sakuranbo. Smily was totally ripped off, but Sakuranbo was put together by to separate folk songs.

Well, thanks all the same I just hope it isn't that sort of premature knee-jerk reaction that seems to crowd the forums. The most ridiculous I remember was the "Rainy Day" comparison with the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" theme. It gave me good laugh, at least.

[Uemarasan]

Oh, never mind about the Eric Serra track Thank you, Amazon samples.

The strings intro is the same! But shouldn't it be more of an homage instead of a ripoff, since Ayu DID dress up as Joan of Arc for the single and did say that the song was inspired by the French heroine, etc., etc.?

Or we can just blame HAL

Still, it hasn't detracted from my appreciation of Free & Easy. Wonderful segue, from the sample into the melody of the song.


P.S. For those who want to hear the Eric Serra track I'm referring to, look for the Messenger: Joan of Arc soundtrack on Amazon. The title is "No Amen".

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

Well, thanks all the same I just hope it isn't that sort of premature knee-jerk reaction that seems to crowd the forums. The most ridiculous I remember was the "Rainy Day" comparison with the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" theme. It gave me good laugh, at least.

Some of them were ridiculous, the two I mentioned were the only valid ones IMO. Sometimes I think the people making these sites are tone deaf.

I diden't know that it was made for a joan of arc film! It kind of explains it and makes it more appropriate actually. And, the arrangers always use a lot of samples always, pre-recorded drums atc. So the free&easy incident is actually just taking it to another level.

It definetly suits F&E perfectly.

[elepop]

Basically, it's the same melody. Surprising!

But from the youtube video... isn't there 2 songs?

Too many rip-off.

BoA's "DOUBLE" soundsa bit like Britney "Let me be".
Nami Tamaki's "No Way Back" sounds a bit like "my name's WOMEN"!

[Uemarasan]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

Some of them were ridiculous, the two I mentioned were the only valid ones IMO. Sometimes I think the people making these sites are tone deaf.

I diden't know that it was made for a joan of arc film! It kind of explains it and makes it more appropriate actually. And, the arrangers always use a lot of samples always, pre-recorded drums atc. So the free&easy incident is actually just taking it to another level.

It definetly suits F&E perfectly.

Well, I'm glad it's only Smily (which I don't like so much) and Sakuranbo (awww I like that song ). Planetarium, Yumekui, Frienger, Kasou, that cat song, and so on are safe! Hehe.

Yup, those arrangers are pretty crafty. That's why HAL won the Record Taishou for song arrangement for Free & Easy

[Uemarasan]

Originally Posted by asongforXX

Basically, it's the same melody. Surprising!

But from the youtube video... isn't there 2 songs?

Too many rip-off.

BoA's "DOUBLE" soundsa bit like Britney "Let me be".
Nami Tamaki's "No Way Back" sounds a bit like "my name's WOMEN"!

A lot of songs sound a bit like other songs That doesn't necessarily make them ripoffs. It's only if the music is exactly the same, composition-wise.

[elepop]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

A lot of songs sound a bit like other songs That doesn't necessarily make them ripoffs. It's only if the music is exactly the same, composition-wise.

Oh I see! So, if the music/melody sounds a bit alike, it's not a rip off?

But if it's like "Yume no Uta" with the same melody, arrangements and composition, it's possible?

That's the Ayu/Nami song I was talking about:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s9v92z

The melody is alike, but only in some parts. I reduced the voice of Nami so some could hear the similiarity better.

[Ryoko]

They might just be similar. Plus, with millions of songs in the world, it's very possible that two people came up with songs that sound the same or similar.

Let's wait until the CD's out before we jump to conclusions about ripoffs.

[Uemarasan]

Originally Posted by asongforXX

Oh I see! So, if the music/melody sounds a bit alike, it's not a rip off?

But if it's like "Yume no Uta" with the same melody, arrangements and composition, it's possible?

That's the Ayu/Nami song I was talking about:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s9v92z

The melody is alike, but only in some parts. I reduced the voice of Nami so some could hear the similiarity better.

Hey, thanks for going through the trouble to upload this

I need some time to process the whole recording (plus, I need to go to bed. haha), but I'll let you know what I think soon. My first impression is that it's a very, very close call.

Still, I'm pretty ambivalent about the issue of sampling. Sometimes, it seems too rigidly ridiculous (three chords already count as sampling???). What about lines of poetry, film sequences, etc, which have been repeated so many times? But, anyway, that's just what I think...

[bluegie]

the ayu/nami melody sounds really similar in terms of arrangement.. I can't hear nami's voice clearly but it seems like the vocal melody is different.. so I assume it's only the background music arrangement is similar.. well probly if someone searches hard enough he may find lots of songs with this similar arrangement as well.. afterall music has been existed on earth for like ?? years and it's not surprising to find similarities among different songs .

and i can't watch the youtube link on the first post.. do i have to sign up at youtube for that video??

[Mad_Cactuar]

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...+Proud+rip-off

Check this thread for the Walking Proud stuff.

[elepop]

Originally Posted by bluegie

the ayu/nami melody sounds really similar in terms of arrangement.. I can't hear nami's voice clearly but it seems like the vocal melody is different.. so I assume it's only the background music arrangement is similar.. well probly if someone searches hard enough he may find lots of songs with this similar arrangement as well.. afterall music has been existed on earth for like ?? years and it's not surprising to find similarities among different songs .

and i can't watch the youtube link on the first post.. do i have to sign up at youtube for that video??

Yeah, it was just the melody. But not through the whole song either. Just a few part. So I guess it's not a rip off. It's maybe kinda like Ayu's "independent" and Ai's "SMILY" claps. The song is obviously not alike, just a part of the melody.

[Kikaru]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

Oh, never mind about the Eric Serra track Thank you, Amazon samples.

The strings intro is the same! But shouldn't it be more of an homage instead of a ripoff, since Ayu DID dress up as Joan of Arc for the single and did say that the song was inspired by the French heroine, etc., etc.?

Or we can just blame HAL

Still, it hasn't detracted from my appreciation of Free & Easy. Wonderful segue, from the sample into the melody of the song.


P.S. For those who want to hear the Eric Serra track I'm referring to, look for the Messenger: Joan of Arc soundtrack on Amazon. The title is "No Amen".

That explains it And I don't think it's really as much as the melody as it's probably just something within that medieval time period that the melody was popular...so probably not enough to call it a rip off...

Otsuka Ai's PLANETARIUM also have a little part (the ikitai yo) that sound exactly the same as the "Ikitai yo" in Suteki da ne from Final fantasy. But I'm passing that off as a coincidence.

For this song maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not. I'll gave Koda/composer my benefit of the doubt.

[*Petit*]

In general you're allowed to be a bit free-er with the arrangements because there are "free samples" and musical samples you can buy that are either too old to get you charged for copying OR made by companies that produce f.eks percussion that can be used. The rules are (and should be) stricter for a melody that is sung or stands out like f.ex. the first couple of notes of "hit me baby one more time" by britney spears or the tune of THE SHADOWS by Rasmus. Certain rythms and arrangements have been used so much that they are considered free for all the claps of smily and independant is a good example of that.

[cybermoomba]

LMAO People rip-off songs all the time!

It's like nothing new

I'm not surprised. I don't think its a big deal that the melody is similar

[Psychotic_X]

Yes I agree with CK...
before we start jumping to conclusions let's wait til the CD's release and we can determine what happened..

And it just so happens, Kuu DID NOT write the music... She simply wrote the lyrics to the song...

And if you listen to Yasashii Hana by Oku Hanako, you'll only realise only the chorus is the same nothing else... So It's not a complete rip-off!

[~X2RADialbomber~]

Originally Posted by cybermoomba

LMAO People rip-off songs all the time!

Exactly. You guys should stop worrying