[CHARTS + SALES] GUILTY - second topic

[v3lun420]

I don't reallly care, I'll still say GO AYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu

Actually, I am sad that she's no. 2. Huh... I hope Koda Kumi's Kingdom will flop too^^
I don't really want Ayumi to have lower sales to Koda, But..... in this point I think Kumi might have higher sales.....
Oh NOOOOOOO....... I am going to have another nightmare tonite. Seriously, I didn't even sleep last nite, All I had in mind was, would Ayumi be no. 1??? Now I know the reason why I couldn't sleep well last nite, probably I felt that this was going to happen...

OH NOOOOO........

[Peger]

^This isn't flopping. It would've been #1 almost any other week and it's on its way to selling 600k. That's pretty good given her singles sales.

[norain]

This was all a plan to kill off ayumi's #1 streak! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!

Oh well, you win some you lose some, and ayumi's got her first #2. Unless some MIRACLE happens, ayumi will not get a #1

If only if these were (miss)understood sales like with her 650k first two weeks. That was a miracle.

[somethinglost]

This was all a ploy to break Ayu's #1 streak and position Kuu as the "new" face of Avex, just like what happened to Namie!!


Just kidding! LOL, I'm waiting paciently for ORICON's update.

[cttncandy]

Originally Posted by somethinglost

This was all a ploy to break Ayu's #1 streak and position Kuu as the "new" face of Avex, just like what happened to Namie!!


Just kidding! LOL, I'm waiting paciently for ORICON's update.

You might just be right If they really wanted to keep her streak alive they could have released the album in another date. I'll be honest, sometimes it feels like they don't care as much anymore. There seems to be a lack of innovative ways of promoting her as an artist. I know they still consider her as one of their most important artists (she is!) but I feel like she is slowly being put in the backburner.

Things just don't feel the same

[Ayumiko]

I would have to agree. It feels like she is getting lessor and lessor promotion. Even though she had huge posters everywhere but things like tie-ins, magazine appearances, are getting less. The only thing that is going up is her doing asia tour again but I can't help but feel avex will very soon give other artists their asia tour just coz ayu's was successful. As if using ayu to open the path to the asia market for others.

If you compare koda's promotions and ayu's, big difference...but I guess it can't be helped as koda still have juice left for them to squeeze out...even though their sales are getting closer together.

[AmyRoseM]

Sadly, I think the reason those songs are only considered as epic and majestic as they are is because they were released when Ayu was in her prime---1999 to 2001 (and a little of 2002). They are still good songs, but face it, if they were released in, say, 2006 or 2007, many people would brush them off as "boring" like they did BLUE BIRD or fated. Boys & Girls would be just another "cutesy happy song" and "M" would be another "Oh, another rock song?". I think that if they were released recently, they'd elicit those kinds of responses.

EXACTLY! It's not necessarily the songs that are so amazing (although in this case, they are!), but the hype that went along with those songs. M was huge because it was a great song AND Ayumi was in her prime. So yes, I agree 100%!

[yamogi]

It's sad to see ayu get no.2...anyway the number itself is not bad. I saw someone predict the sale to be something around 20 thousand copies.

[Choyan]

Ayu's tired, let Koda do all the work she needs to GET her sales,
Ayu just needs the posters lol~XP

Would they consider the 1st Jan non-#1 the album's debut charting position though? Plus, there's still weekly to consider.

[Coelacanth]

I agree that Ayu needs more tie-in's and CM's. I miss them.

Does anyone else besides me think that billboard promotion and trucks playing music is a really annoying way of promoting a product? I have no idea what people in Japan would think of this, but all I know is that I'd be somewhat annoyed. It's like all.. desperate and in-your-face.. I don't see why an established artist like Ayu would even need obnoxious promotion like that. Maybe in the next round, avex should lay low with that type of promotion and try to get some big-scale tie-in's. Then again, Koda probably has first dibs on all of those...

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by Coelacanth

Does anyone else besides me think that billboard promotion and trucks playing music is a really annoying way of promoting a product? I have no idea what people in Japan would think of this, but all I know is that I'd be somewhat annoyed. It's like all.. desperate and in-your-face.. I don't see why an established artist like Ayu would even need obnoxious promotion like that. Maybe in the next round, avex should lay low with that type of promotion and try to get some big-scale tie-in's. Then again, Koda probably has first dibs on all of those...

I think it's pretty much standard for every major release.

[Kilyk]

Oh wow I'm just in shock I suppose. asdfghjkl

[inspire_rmx]

I'm sad that she's lost her No.1 streak, at the start of her 10th year anniversary. But guess tis is expected to happen at some point of her carreer. No artist can be on top forever. No.2 is still great esp for someone in her 10th yr in e industry. Plus GUILTY is such a great album and e sales is muc better than expected.(i thot it will sell like mayb 300,000plus copies only, and at least her drop isn't as serious as mika, Boa and Ai).. hopefully it will maintain & stay long on e chart. Prayin for mayb total sales of 650,000copies..=) *finger crossed

I just hoped Ayu continue making good music and stay happy, will support her no matter what..=) God Bless. hopefully she will haf a comeback soon

[bluegie]

well talkin' 2 myself isn't a really experimental single, as she has already done many heavy rock songs previously. Maybe I shouldn't say it's about piano and guitar or same instruments... It's rather about similar or even same arrangement. Let's use (don't) Leave me alone as an example. I watched the dvd before listening to the cd, so I didn't aware of the very beginning of the song is almost exactly the same as the very beginning of 1 LOVE. Then when I played the cd in my car, my brother pointed out that immediately.

I guess if B&D wasn't released as a single, people might have accepted it easier. There are other factors affected this single's sale beside the arrangement. Releasing it closer to (m)u was one of the huge mistakes. Or probly people didn't like ayu's dark hair (I kinda doubt it tho cuz she looked really really good with that). I remember that I wasn't particularly annoyed when I found out that both songs in this single didn't get into A BEST 2. But later on I feel that it's quite a stupid not to include B&D and Pride.

Actually Pride is not a really weird song in ayu's discography. Yes, it's experimental, but it's just another ballad. I guess it's been attached to B&D so it has the same fate...

About the dark concepts, I guess it's about age problem. Hmmmn... let's say in this way. The early songs that ayu wrote was mostly about her darker teenage period. We must admit that teenagers are more emotional than adults. It's easier to bring out the resonance (or unison?..) within that group.

Now the dark songs ayu writes are probly more about adult-related, or just something so mysterious/abstruse. Teenagers can't understand the meaning of the songs, and probly adults don't have time to care about the meaning (or dun even wanna touch the darker songs... life is hard already so why bother?). That means, less people attracted by her recent materials (esp fast heavy rock songs...).

Of course this is just one of my assumptions.. There must be more than one reasons why lesser people buying her materials nowadays..

[namiie]

Originally Posted by bluegie

well talkin' 2 myself isn't a really experimental single, as she has already done many heavy rock songs previously. Maybe I shouldn't say it's about piano and guitar or same instruments... It's rather about similar or even same arrangement. Let's use (don't) Leave me alone as an example. I watched the dvd before listening to the cd, so I didn't aware of the very beginning of the song is almost exactly the same as the very beginning of 1 LOVE. Then when I played the cd in my car, my brother pointed out that immediately.

I guess if B&D wasn't released as a single, people might have accepted it easier. There are other factors affected this single's sale beside the arrangement. Releasing it closer to (m)u was one of the huge mistakes. Or probly people didn't like ayu's dark hair (I kinda doubt it tho cuz she looked really really good with that). I remember that I wasn't particularly annoyed when I found out that both songs in this single didn't get into A BEST 2. But later on I feel that it's quite a stupid not to include B&D and Pride.

Actually Pride is not a really weird song in ayu's discography. Yes, it's experimental, but it's just another ballad. I guess it's been attached to B&D so it has the same fate...

About the dark concepts, I guess it's about age problem. Hmmmn... let's say in this way. The early songs that ayu wrote was mostly about her darker teenage period. We must admit that teenagers are more emotional than adults. It's easier to bring out the resonance (or unison?..) within that group.

Now the dark songs ayu writes are probly more about adult-related, or just something so mysterious/abstruse. Teenagers can't understand the meaning of the songs, and probly adults don't have time to care about the meaning (or dun even wanna touch the darker songs... life is hard already so why bother?). That means, less people attracted by her recent materials (esp fast heavy rock songs...).

Of course this is just one of my assumptions.. There must be more than one reasons why lesser people buying her materials nowadays..

Ayu's never had a song as rockish as talkin' 2 myself before...yes, she's had rock, but they've always been pop-rock, not necessarily straight up rock.

B&D and Pride weren't on A BEST 2 because Ayu only included songs from her "second chapter"--that is, songs UP TO Bold & Delicious. And even though Pride is a ballad, I still think it was different since it was a little more gospel-y (along with B&D) than previous ballads. The vocal style was definitely a change.

I don't think Ayu's newer dark songs speak of adult troubles. Rather, I think she talks about a lot of universal content in her lyrics that people of a variety of ages can feel. While it's true that her fanbase consists largely of teenagers, I don't think the lyrics are what's scaring them away from buying her albums lately. Ah well. Who knows? The industry in general is suffering as a whole.

[LNany]

Official numbers by Oricon

*1　454,601　*,845,485　Kobukuro - 5296
*2　432,113　*,432,113　Ayumi Hamasaki - GUILTY
*3　314,711　1,236,780　EXILE - EXILE LOVE

BTW, GUILTY is #1 at today rankings

#1: Ayumi Hamasaki (GUILTY) - 9,238 (x1.7) = 15705
#2: Kobukuro (5296) - 8,987 (x1.7) = 15278
#3: EXILE (EXILE LOVE) - 7,185 (x1.7) = 12215

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by LNany

Official numbers by Oricon

*1　454,601　*,845,485　Kobukuro - 5296
*2　432,113　*,432,113　Ayumi Hamasaki - GUILTY
*3　314,711　1,236,780　EXILE - EXILE LOVE

BTW, GUILTY is #1 at today rankings

#1: Ayumi Hamasaki (GUILTY) - 9,238 (x1.7) = 15705
#2: Kobukuro (5296) - 8,987 (x1.7) = 15278
#3: EXILE (EXILE LOVE) - 7,185 (x1.7) = 12215

Nifty.

[Ayumiko]

GUILTY is back to #1 daily again today? I didn't think it can...good job ayu!

[somethinglost]

Nice "first" week, I'm really happy. Here's to strong "second" week sales!

[TITANIC]

T__T
very very sad..
but why chas_ayu create 3rd thread..
this thread still need 70 posts until 500 posts to create new thread

but i'm so happy for the 1st day sales in this week do very well