ARENA TOUR 2009 A ~NEXT LEVEL~ setlist and pictures [II]

[waterballoon]

Actually it's possible to take deep breaths without like making noises.

[yamogi]

^IMO, flaws means everything except being off key.

[Tony G]

I have to admit from that video, her voice does seem more polished than her normal live voice. But it's LQ, we really can't tell.

[Cawaii~Onna~]

Wow here we go again, neverending lipsyncing discussion!
Only thing that is 100% sure right now is no one can prove anything from that clip, whether she is doing lipsyncing or not.

About the clip, I think the stage is pretty good, I hope they use it at its full potential throughout the whole show. Anyway, am I the only one who thinks that the stars on the screen look...so random? lol

[SunshineSlayer]

^ So if no one can prove anything with that clip, what about the live reports then? It seems people just like to conveniently ignore those because it doesn't suit their arguement and are focusing on the clip only.

Anyways, it seems people are still continuing the lip synching thing anyways even though people HAD already dropped the subject. Maybe it should be brought to the playback thread. As for the breathing thing - yes, you should hear breath sounds - just as that report I translated said: they couldn't hear any breath sounds in Energize, but could in the next song (Audience) which both used the headset mic.

Originally Posted by maikaru

You didn't even see the concert yourself or have no clear proof visually.
And if those messages are from two channel, then I will laugh.

But even if I had seen it myself, I'm sure you'd still continue denying it. Also, I already gave the link to the report about it being lip synched and its not from 2 ch. The other comments I have gotten from various Japanese message boards about the subject.

And right now it seems the anti-lip synch people are the ones determined to continue the discussion.

So basically, what's been said that doesn't have any validity to it? All people have said is that based on the video we have, it doesn't appear live (which is all we have to go on in terms of video and audio evidence) and then I backed it up with several comments from people that have seen the show that don't think its live either. Is the idea that she lip synched the song really that threatening that you would deny anything to the contrary?

Originally Posted by waterballoon

Actually it's possible to take deep breaths without like making noises.

With regular mics yes, with head mics no. I have never been to a concert where you can't hear breathing sounds when the artist is actually singing into the head mic. btw, Trauma 04/05 yes, you can hear mic sounds - you can even hear her clapping into the mic and also when she takes deep breaths.

[njanjayrp]

^ I don't mind her lip syncing on occasion, I just find it annoying that we need to "discuss" it over and over~ endlessly. And while we're at it, I still find it amusing that people claim they can actually assume anything from that clip. I also find it silly that it was even brought up this time based on 17 sec. clip recorded with a mobile phone in which you can barely see and hear Ayu - the most logical thing would be that people simply want to believe she is lip syncing everytime she opens her mouth - that's annoying.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

^ I don't mind her lip syncing on occasion, I just find it annoying that we need to "discuss" it over and over~ endlessly. And while we're at it, I still find it amusing that people claim they can actually assume anything from that clip. I also find it silly that it was even brought up this time based on 17 sec. clip recorded with a mobile phone in which you can barely see and hear Ayu - the most logical thing would be that people simply want to believe she is lip syncing everytime she opens her mouth - that's annoying.

But that's not true at all - if it were, people would have cried lip synch for Rule too, but they didn't. You can at least tell something from the clip and give an opinion on it. If, as you are saying the clip can't be used as evidence - People here based on the clip are saying they think its live, so how is that really any different than people saying that based on the clip they think it isn't? The clip combined with the various comments about it being lip synched from reports makes me think there is a high possibility it is not live. The only reason that opinion becomes a big discussion is that people get overly defensive about it I think. Instead of just saying, 'oh, so reports say there's a good possibility its not live. Well, ok' and just move on.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But that's not true at all - if it were, people would have cried lip synch for Rule too, but they didn't. You can at least tell something from the clip and give an opinion on it. People here based on the clip are saying they think its live, so how is that really any different than people saying that based on the clip they think it isn't? The clip combined with the various comments about it being lip synched from reports makes me think there is a high possibility it is not live. The only reason that opinion becomes a big discussion is that people get overly defensive about it I think. Instead of just saying, 'oh, so reports say there's a good possibility its not live. Well, ok' and just move on.

I think you're failing to see the point - I am simply trying to say that you can't really base an opinion on that clip, you do remember that even with Over which we saw in, well, higher quality, we couldn't really tell if the video was off sync or if she was really lip syncing let alone this clip. We didn't start screaming "WOW her LIVE singing is so great" when we saw the clip. It was you people who wanted to point that she wasn't singing live.

I didn't say I think it was live, I just said that there is 0 proof that it wasn't. It's a live concert, don't you think it's only natural for people to assume it was live? Another thing is that I also find it natural for fans to be a little defensive and I don't mind being defensive at times, if it's something/someone I care about

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I think you're failing to see the point - I am simply trying to say that you can't really base an opinion on that clip.

But it seems that you also are forming an opinion based on that clip. Or do you really think that based on the clip you just can't tell one way or another that it is live? If that's the case, then that's fine. It seems thats what you mean

And as for Over, I never once thought the video was off sync. ^_-

And also, I don't see the problem with pointing out when something isn't live - it wouldn't actually be a real concert discussion thread if no one actually talked about stuff that is relevant to the concert. I agree, it doesn't always need to be a long discussion though but as I mentioned it usually only turns into one because people get too defensive about it when it really doesn't need to be that way imo. I just don't understand the need to get defensive in the first place. Yes, i totally understand the caring about something thing and I myself was like that back in the days that really 99% of the people believed she never lip synched, but now that everyone knows that sometimes she does, I don't see the need to get defensive when the possibility of it is brought up.

I think a few years ago, my natural inclination would be to think that everything is live. However, nowadays I've simply seen tooo many concerts and especially to many Ayu concerts to see that clip and actually think its live - especially when combined with the live reports. btw, tokyoxjapanxfan when are you going in October? Maybe we can meet at the show sometime.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But it seems that you also are forming an opinion based on that clip. Or do you really think that based on the clip you just can't tell one way or another that it is live? If that's the case, then that's fine.

And as for Over, I never once thought the video was off sync. ^_-

The second part of my previous post pretty much says that I didn't say whether it was live or not - "I didn't say I think it was live, I just said that there is 0 proof that it wasn't." You also mentioned blogs saying it wasn't live and we had people here who said they thought it was. Neither one of them is necessarily right. All I was saying is that we would need more solid proof.

[freedreamer]

@truehappiness...yes its terribly sad
i really find this discussion so tiring....i mean...really, what's there to prove after ANGEL'S SONG's error...
some people feel injust, some people feel that finally its proven...
so..its just a neverending discussion...
in the end, we will start looking at her flaws and 'strengths' of singing well...

[Ayusan]

omg some of you are funny, you are fighting for a 17 sec. video O.O .... I know it's the crisis and everybody is bored and blablabla ... come on get a life it will help the society !

You base your opinion on 17 sec. when you can hear more chicks screaming that Ayu singing -_-

Does she lip synch ? you will know in the next silly episode of Ayu the bad singer .....

Some of you expect sound mic with the moves she does O.O there it's the worst ... if she does sound mic with just that she should stop to sing, except if you eat all day long and can't move your arms anymore you shouldn't make any mic sound with that o-o ..... or if you still do then you should consider some sport. And you are really tiring wanting to SHOW the good to all of those dumbs who think Ayu is perfect blablabla, come on you will win what ? No one will look at you with more respect because you can hear Ayu lip synch. Get your own life and debate of your problem. To say she may lip synch isn't the prob, the prob is some of you are crazy about the fact they have to make it enter in others mind @o@

I trust no one, not even the japanese posting everywhere. I trust myself and it's already good, and honestly I don't care if she lip synch, the single fact to hear that retarded cute voice make me cringe, no matter if she does lip synch or no.

Anyway some outfits are ok some good for garbage and some just some old outfits ... and that's the next level ....

[SunshineSlayer]

^ I could barely follow your post, but for some reason it made me laugh. ^_^ I'm not trying to force anyone to believing - just stated my opinion and backed it up with evidence, which is how I always think opinions should be presented. I was totally prepared to drop it until others decided to turn it into something bigger than it has to be. Hopefully everyone will just quiet down now.

[inspire_rmx]

seriously i don't care whether it's lip sync or not. one of two songs lip synced are ok to me..
Loving this concert with the modified costumes and the amazing stage.. the screen the colors are all so cool.. simple stage but work wonders ^^ finally somethin diff frm her past arena tour's stage

[Coelacanth]

Why don't both parties (those who believe she lip-synchs and those who don't) just stop trying to convince each other of their beliefs? Nobody's opinion is going to change over the internet, so it's pointless to go to such great lengths to prove a point, especially when it has likely been discussed numerous times in other threads.

Personally, I think EnergizE is mimed. There's really nothing I can say to prove it however, so why bother? It's basically intuitive for me. That being said, it's clear that my opinion is no more valid than somebody else's.

[polka-dot-jewel]

Wow... yes, some people think this is lipped, others think it's live... I, myself, cannot really tell based on the quality from that clip, but I really don't care. If she is lipping it, maybe she feels she wouldn't be able to sing the song live well all the time. She's not perfect. She knows what she's doing. If she wants to lip-synch it, let her do it. In my opinion, all that matters is that she's not lipping the whole concert, like some other singers. At least she's singing some of the songs live, and that's what matters the most.

[Suteisi]

Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel

Wow... yes, some people think this is lipped, others think it's live... I, myself, cannot really tell based on the quality from that clip, but I really don't care. If she is lipping it, maybe she feels she wouldn't be able to sing the song live well all the time. She's not perfect. She knows what she's doing. If she wants to lip-synch it, let her do it. In my opinion, all that matters is that she's not lipping the whole concert, like some other singers. At least she's singing some of the songs live, and that's what matters the most.

I agree.

Personally, I'm happy she's still touring. For all we know she could have decided to take a break and not performe. On top of it all, she added MORE dates. I'm really grateful, because if she hadn't, I wouldn't be able to go see her in October.

[Luther10]

So tired of this lip-sync discussion. Everytime there is a new video, this issue about lip-sync always takes over.. And I thought we have that silly playback thread over at the discussion section, why don't you people use that thread instead?

[jbrat2219]

To be honest... who cares if she's lip syncing "EnergizE?"

Most people don't even like that song anyway lol. I'd rather her lip sync the "cutesy" songs than other songs with more powerful meanings and passion. That's where the emotion is, not in songs where she prances around, seriously....

[noidea]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

To be honest... who cares if she's lip syncing "EnergizE?"

well, some people actually do, whats bad about that? I for example just HAVE TO know(though I WANT to come to the conclusion that its live, like everybody here i think) if something is playback or not, its like when watching a good movie, having a cliffhanger at the end and having to wait 2 years for the next movie, you WANT to know the ending, same with me and playback

and i think other people are thinking the same way, or in another way, maybe theres people thinking that playback is a lie or imposture to the audience,why shouldnt they "investigate" it then? you dont have to read the posts after all o.0