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Old 14th January 2012, 11:10 PM
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She's made atleast 13 songs and 4 videos. 12 & 3 in london & her staff said they just finished 1 in tokyo. And since they were working in hawaii probably 1 or 2 songs in that week. They also mentioned UN in tokyo, so that last one was probably another duet.
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Old 15th January 2012, 12:04 AM
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She's made atleast 13 songs and 4 videos. 12 & 3 in london & her staff said they just finished 1 in tokyo. And since they were working in hawaii probably 1 or 2 songs in that week. They also mentioned UN in tokyo, so that last one was probably another duet.
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Old 15th January 2012, 11:06 AM
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She's made atleast 13 songs and 4 videos. 12 & 3 in london & her staff said they just finished 1 in tokyo. And since they were working in hawaii probably 1 or 2 songs in that week. They also mentioned UN in tokyo, so that last one was probably another duet.
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Old 15th January 2012, 03:36 PM
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How about you post a source to your storys. That would be really helpfull.
I agree, where do you always find this information, saigodansu? You seem to know a lot of things that the rest of us don't. Do you read it on twitter? Or hear it from someone else? I am genuinely curious.
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Clearly this person has a personal relationship with ayumi...DUh... Lol.
I don't know why people hare UN so much... She really only released one song with him... the other was him releaseing a song... But, whatever
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Old 15th January 2012, 03:45 PM
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^And that "other song" was under her production so you can say they did release that song together too.

I think UN is a cutie. Same goes for JUNO. Even though I like her non-duet songs (clearly) waaay more, I have nothing against the ones already released. And I really have nothing against the singers. They are hot. Totally doable.
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Clearly this person has a personal relationship with ayumi...DUh... Lol.
I don't know why people hare UN so much... She really only released one song with him... the other was him releaseing a song... But, whatever
There is/was so much negativity on her collabs on AHS that I've given up searching for reasons. And I don't care. Ayu does what she wants now and I love it. I remember her being hurt so much at all the negative things at last years a-nation. I hope the one thing she learned from all this is to STILL do what she wants even if people throw tantrums. Don't like a collab? Don't listen to it, don't buy it. But stop moaning about it. Every. Single. TIME.
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I wish, but no. And if LA before the album is complete means a Mannie quadrilogy of pvs, personally I won't get much use out of the dvd that comes with this album.
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Old 15th January 2012, 12:43 AM
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I wish, but no. And if LA before the album is complete means a Mannie quadrilogy of pvs, personally I won't get much use out of the dvd that comes with this album.
Even if Mannie is in the videos, he is not the director, he's just an actor in a music video, where there's almost only bad actors(really, how often are there good actors in music videos?) so will you really let his presence in itself destroy the videos for you if they are otherwise good? We've only seen him in a trilogy before, which practically was one video, so disliking that won't mean the others are just as bad to you...that is unelss it's really the pure fact he's in it and not the video itself.
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Old 15th January 2012, 05:51 AM
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I wish, but no. And if LA before the album is complete means a Mannie quadrilogy of pvs, personally I won't get much use out of the dvd that comes with this album.
You again? Insulting Mannie again? You just never get over it. GTFO.
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Old 15th January 2012, 12:53 AM
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as bad as much of the acting has been in her pvs, I prefer any of the japanese actors/dancers to any foreigner in her pvs. She's the empress of japanese pop, foreigner's just look stupid in her pvs, the african american/european's doing the strange dances, the little boy saying do you want some candy, the women and men in the RNRC pvs with the lone japanese girl at the dinner table, the really bad acting from the kids in sweet season with the main one looking like the next richie rich & one of the worst acting jobs was the trilogy with mannie. So I want anyone that is atleast asian so they don't look so out of place, even if they do just as bad at acting.
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Old 15th January 2012, 01:54 AM
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as bad as much of the acting has been in her pvs, I prefer any of the japanese actors/dancers to any foreigner in her pvs. She's the empress of japanese pop, foreigner's just look stupid in her pvs, the african american/european's doing the strange dances, the little boy saying do you want some candy, the women and men in the RNRC pvs with the lone japanese girl at the dinner table, the really bad acting from the kids in sweet season with the main one looking like the next richie rich & one of the worst acting jobs was the trilogy with mannie. So I want anyone that is atleast asian so they don't look so out of place, even if they do just as bad at acting.
I gotta say I must agree with this little sentence, foreigners always look out of place for me in japanese videos, too...BUT...On the other hand it also dipends on the story in PV, the message or the atmosphare they wanted to give away.

Plus I'm very much sure she isn't the one totally chosing acctors for her PVs.

As for the mannie, I think the videos were very colorful and full of some sort of thing going on, differently from lots of her other ones... as for why you think they were bad is probably because u have issues with Mannie's persona being in Ayu's life, which probably doesn't give you the cold/clear impression for you....
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Old 15th January 2012, 01:06 AM
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I like her way of incorperating different nationalities. She's been doing it for every aspect of her work for a long time, and she herself doesn't even look all that Asian. When wearing make-up I think many people could mistake her for being caucasian at times.
Her music and image has been very...non-national and universal for a long time(more western(US and European) than Asian influences the later you get in her career) and when she goes typically japanese it's often in a parody fashion(Sparkle video) or in a voluntarily stereotypically fashion(ayu-mi-x 4 "fake asian" covers). Honestly I would be shocked if she started filling her videos only with asians. Especially with her now repeating "A WORLD is ONE" every chance she gets haha

She's big in Japan but that never restricted her. I don't know why, maybe it's her idols, maybe she doesn't like japanese culture or the business, maybe she wants to stand out...but that's the way she's always been doing it and an essential part of her artistry.
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Old 15th January 2012, 01:09 PM
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She's big in Japan but that never restricted her. I don't know why, maybe it's her idols, maybe she doesn't like japanese culture or the business, maybe she wants to stand out...but that's the way she's always been doing it and an essential part of her artistry.
Well, I wouldn't say she hates japanese culture as she is really inspired by both some traditional and modern aspects of japanese aesthetic on some of her work, a lot more than Utada (that's pretty much is interested in music being it from anywhere), Namie (who is the most americanized person in the business) or Koda (who mix both japanese and international as much as your everyday jpop star would). In the end of the day, Ayu have a good amount of both visual and musical work that uses japanese elements on a way appealing to a international fanbase. And IMO this is the point on having western extras on most of her non dancing pvs: it's an easy way to give it a international feeling.

As far as I know, she elaborates the concept of the videos together with the director, but obviously, as she is dealing with an expert, she knows who's the one knowing the better angles, lights, colors and overall composition. Considering the variety of directors she had over the years, and how most of them indeed used an international cast of extras, unless she were using her dancers, I'm pretty sure the nationality of those people is somethig chosen by herself.
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Old 15th January 2012, 01:17 AM
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Maybe it's just the choices of actors that the directors choose or the directing itself, since she lets the directors come up with the pv ideas. IMO the pvs would be better quality if she invisioned the pv while writing the song instead of letting someone else do that. Its just like with her songs, the covers dont stand out like those that she writes. And I lost count how many tweets and TA messages I've wrote telling her how much more everyone would enjoy the songs with a piano if she were the one playing it.
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Old 15th January 2012, 01:28 AM
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I don't think we can expect her to take piano lessons for years just so we can hear her sing those songs while playing the piano herself xD
And I don't think we ever got confirmed who comes up with all the ideas, we do know that she can be very involved in both the ideas and the directing, when she doesn't like something she says so, we've seen it more than once. In the end she approves it and if she didn't like it she wouldn't do it so she's the one at fault. (And honestly I doubt her risky videos are her director's ideas, especially the ones against her label or the business, though her directors and staff most likely come up with quite a few of her videos. It's a simple fact that people that studied film or at the very least photography usually come up with better ideas to present in the format they learned)

That said I respect your opinion, I just think some parts of it may be flawed or simply unrealistic. Her playing piano? To get to the same level her painists and keyboarders have AND be able to sing at the same time she would need at the very least 5 years of intense training. Coming up with every video idea? Ayumi can come up with good ideas and she has. But she's not an expert in that area so I think not everything she comes up with will be gold. I think if EVERY idea would come from her we would end up with worse videos. But every now and then - why not? I think we are already getting that from her.
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She already plays piano, thats how she use to write the music to some of her songs as CREA and she has already said the directors came up with the pvs. Leslie created those he directed, same with Muto and Luis.
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She already plays piano, thats how she use to write the music to some of her songs as CREA and she has already said the directors came up with the pvs. Leslie created those he directed, same with Muto and Luis.
She played enough keyboard(I don't think we ever heard about her actually buying a piano) to write the melodies but stated that she has no knowledge about composition at all - an experienced piano player will come to have quite a bit of knowledge about it. That's a gigantic difference. Everybody can play small melodies on a keyboard, actually playing the whole background instrumental including the chords, submelodies and basses is something you learn for many years. And we have no indication that she can do that.
Also, didn't she say that writing them on a keyboard didn't work for her so she started just humming the melodies to her composers and having them write them down?

And you just brought examples for some directors coming up with them, I asked if ALL the video ideas come from directors and a general statement like "the directors come up with the ideas" doesn't exclude some(exceptions) coming from her. I don't think she has ever made a statement ofthat sort about all of her videos and we know she is incredibly modest when it comes to getting credit for her work. Even if she doesn't come up with the main idea she'll still change everything she doesn't like. No matter how small or big. Example: When the whole staff had to stay longer because she didn't like her hair in GREEN after she had shot some scenes already.
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