ASIA TOUR ~10th Anniversary~ setlist and pics [II]

[MissElin_]

Ah Im getting tierd of this discussion about her lip-syncing.
1. Its not a great deal if she did for some songs.
2. Lip-syncings is not the same as having a back-up-voice in the bakground.
3. I was on CDL 07-08 and from what I heard she didnt really lip-sync because it wasnt really perfect the whole songs trough.
4. I agree with truehappiness that I belive in more of the ppl who was there live and ehat they say then them who saw the dvd.
5. You cant decide if she lip-synced only by seeing on the dvd because avex put alot work in editing and they fix her voice some to make it sound better.

[alternarist]

^ but we all cannot deny the fact that the LIVE version of CDL 0708 was available for dl. vocals of that were NOT edited.

[MissElin_]

Yes I know. Thats why I wrote dvd and not downloads. Just to make it clear.

[AyUmIXx]

Ayu lip-sync or not..
ask the people who went to see her concerts!
that's the most obvious proof!
she totally DIDN'T lip sync!

i've heard so many ppl said to me that Ayu DID lip sync in all songs after they finished watching the DVD concerts.. and i told them.. that it's because they're watching DVD~ that's why they found it like she did lip sync~~

[alternarist]

This is what people should do (imo):

1) If they are curious whether ayu lip-synched, just open their eyes/ears big enough

2) Believe what they believe. which is whether ayu lip-synched or not.

3) Shut up.

[se7entheaven]

we bring the lip sync back !!!
hmh
forget it
the tour's gonna end up soon
we'll see in the news preview

[ayunewfan]

You should know that a real LIVE and an edited DVD are not the same...
Example: the different CDL's. Every year the show is broadcasted Live and I always hear ayu singing live ( except maybe Step You one time , i'm not sure) and i'm quite dissapointed by some songs because on the certain non-accuracy of notes, as a musician I can't ignore that fact even for My Ayu. On the other hand she tries not to do playback and we have to be proud.
When Avex is editing a DVD , the DVD has to be perfect to the viewers. They correct the sound by putting CD voice( not so often), or by using a program of automatic replacing of the voice. It doesn't mean that Ayu did playback ( lip sync as you all say) during the live. It's why we always enjoy more the DVD of a countdown live and not the Tv show.
I don't agree with Game and My Name's is Woman from AT 05. It was my favourite live and there is no playback. I know the CD versions by heart and it was different for every songs!

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by InoriNoUta

It's a fact, huh? Prove it, please, by any other means besides "go watch the video" because until you can find either (a) Ayu saying herself she did it or (b) someone from avex confirming it, I'm just going to laugh that you'd try to pass off what you THINK as something factual.

You're ignorant if you refuse to believe those two songs were lip-synched. My deaf grandma could hear that. This is just like the 1 LOVE issue. CLEARLY (like, really, REALLY CLEARLY) the 1 LOVE vocals of AT07 and A-Nation 07 ARE THE SAME. (Not saying she lipsynched the song; it's an example of another case where it's obvious to hear but people refuse to hear it.) People hear and interpretate things the way they want it. People that were at the concert said she lip-synched thsoe two songs, you can clearly see it's lipsynched, she sung almost all other songs relatively bad and then suddenly those two perfect, if you compare evolution to CDL0708 you'd hear that it's pretty much the same. The same goes with AT06/STEP you, I think. I'm not going to bother checking. Sure, it's not really a fact. But when someone is as obvious as the grass being green, I call it a fact.

^ I don't really care if she does it either. I just have a problem with people running their mouth as if they're the only ones capable of figuring out "the facts."

Apparently you're too ignorant to see the facts, so I spelled them out or you. You're welcome!

because a video of ayu in concert is open to interpretation, unlike a murder caught on film... *shrug*

The question about the murder tape is: did Bob stab Charles with a knife, or did the knife accidentally slip into Charles' stumach when Bob did some freaky dancy gesture in his direction? I'm guessing Bob will claim the latter.

Edit: Or actually, wait. There could be a SMALL chance that you hear Ayu's live voice somewhere really softly in the STEP you/evolution performance. Hey, I guess it's not lip synching then after all!!
...
*sigh*

Edit 2: @truehappiness: M and appears were lipsynched at AT07? There's a vid of M on the internet (you know it lol) and IMO it sounds really different. o_O;; I'm kind of surprised that they claim she lipsynched that song.. She usually does it to the fast pair of songs, which in AT07 would be 1 LOVE / until that Day... Until that Day sounds SO lipsynched on the DVD haha. But when you watch the documentary when she sings until that Day it doesn't sound lip synched at all. They need to hire Koda's concert DVD voice mixer. She still sounds live, after having her voice butchered by the editors. xP

[LEOyumi]

Originally Posted by ayumimylove

AT 07 M / appears

I don't think she did it with these songs, it seems they just were overly editted in the DVD version. I think that she playbacked 1LOVE in this show.
And another time was evolution in BEST of CDL 06~07, she dances, spins round and round, jumps, and her voice stays the same haha

[alternarist]

"dakedo ai subeki ano hitori"

i have good ears. listen to "ano" in AT 07.. ayu pronounced it as "an-no".

but in the mp3 of M, it's "a-no".

just one difference, we can conclude that ayu didnt lip-synched in M.

by the way, i noticed this because i always sing along with ayu in the choruses of M..

[ayumisrael]

Didn't ayu do different ad-libbings in CDL's 07-08 STEP you from AT 2006?

Anyway people that were in this concert said here she didn't lip-sync evolution and STEP you, as they saw it and heard it themselves there so I can't question them even if they were the best vocals performance

Originally Posted by MissElin_

Ah Im getting tierd of this discussion about her lip-syncing.
1. Its not a great deal if she did for some songs.
2. Lip-syncings is not the same as having a back-up-voice in the bakground.
3. I was on CDL 07-08 and from what I heard she didnt really lip-sync because it wasnt really perfect the whole songs trough.
4. I agree with truehappiness that I belive in more of the ppl who was there live and ehat they say then them who saw the dvd.
5. You cant decide if she lip-synced only by seeing on the dvd because avex put alot work in editing and they fix her voice some to make it sound better.

Thank you!

[apple-pi]

Originally Posted by alternarist

"dakedo ai subeki ano hitori"

i have good ears. listen to "ano" in AT 07.. ayu pronounced it as "an-no".

but in the mp3 of M, it's "a-no".

just one difference, we can conclude that ayu didnt lip-synched in M.

by the way, i noticed this because i always sing along with ayu in the choruses of M..

I'm pretty sure she went off-key at least twice singing M in AT07, too.

[LEOyumi]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Didn't ayu do different ad-libbings in CDL's 07-08 STEP you from AT 2006?

I think she did. Even if she didn't, the performance (in terms of vocals) weren't the same, as far as I can remember from the AT2006 ^^'

[Key ~eternal tie~]

Haha, I can't believe that we're getting so side-tracked. This is meant to be a thread about Ayu's latest tour, not a Lip-synching debate. I'm sure everyone has their own opinion.

For me I've never been to any of Ayu's concert, so I can only judge from watching DVDs. I'm watching the AUDIENCE performance in Arena Tour 06 ~miss~ understood, and you can hear her voice being jumpy went she's skipping along towards her fans. I do feel that back-vocal is out in the background (like with a lot of singers' performances). I think that Ayu does sing live, but for more active songs such as 1 LOVE, ANGEL'S SONG, STEP you etc, the back-vocal is put on louder to make it sound better.

If it's so easy to lip-synch, why wasn't it done in countdown live 2002-03 when Ayu lost her voice, hmm?

Anyway, I am very sorry for being a hypocrite and gone on to talk about the lipsynching debate again. Regarding the concert, does anyone know how many shows are left? Ayu usually announces a new single towards the end show and performs it then.

[Ayumi_Hamasaki902]

Her outfits are very cute, much more original than her other Tour's, thanks for sharing ^^

[lfe.]

As people have stated, I too do not want to sidetrack more from the original topic of her 10th Anniversary concert but..

Originally Posted by Melrose

You're ignorant if you refuse to believe those two songs were lip-synched. My deaf grandma could hear that. This is just like the 1 LOVE issue. CLEARLY (like, really, REALLY CLEARLY) the 1 LOVE vocals of AT07 and A-Nation 07 ARE THE SAME. (Not saying she lipsynched the song; it's an example of another case where it's obvious to hear but people refuse to hear it.) People hear and interpretate things the way they want it. People that were at the concert said she lip-synched thsoe two songs, you can clearly see it's lipsynched, she sung almost all other songs relatively bad and then suddenly those two perfect, if you compare evolution to CDL0708 you'd hear that it's pretty much the same. The same goes with AT06/STEP you, I think. I'm not going to bother checking. Sure, it's not really a fact. But when someone is as obvious as the grass being green, I call it a fact.

Hey buddy, theres no need to call InoriNoUta ignorant just because her opinions strongly differ from yours that she lip-synched. The fact is she either lip-synched the performances or the vocals don't make her lips because avex heavily edited the DVD. If you know people who were there at the concert and said that she lip-synched those performances then you win, you have your proof. But the only person being ignorant is you, especially if you are using your own deaf grandmother into the argument, that is the truly being ignorant and wrong to your grandma

[Ayumiko]

some ppl need to claim down...if you believe ayu lip synced then thats ok...don't try to change ppl's opinions and call ppl ignorant just because they don't agree with your opinion. Anyways, lip synced or not, we don't have solid prove...only ayu and her staff knows for sure.

BTW...this is off-topic...but do you guys think there will be a cdl 08-09? the overseas concerts will be in fall (I assume)...that doesn't leave much time for ayu to rehearse for another concert even if she use the same stage again. She'll probably release a album by the end of the year or early next year too.

[apple-pi]

Yeah... I was wondering about that. I don't think there'll be enough time for her to prepare a CDL08-09, which is a shame. But I guess it's ok, especially since she already used the CDL07-08 as the special Anniversary celebration one (not having a special anniversary CDL would be sad, haha)

[Chibi_Venus]

*hugs those who aren't talking about the lip-synching thing*

I'm really excited to see that she performed "Far away" in her tour! It's been eight years since she sang that! (That's making me hope that "no more words" will be performed. That one has been in hiding for only six years. ^^)

When does the tour in Japan end?

[MissElin_]

Hmm yeah thats a good question. It feels weird that she wouldnt do a CDL cuz yeah, she have always done it! But with the Shanghai concert in october its gonna be hard. Maybe she will do a grand 10th anniversary tour Final at the new years instead. Haha, would be cool tough.