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Old 22nd July 2011, 09:02 PM
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From what I've seen (here and in Arama), a lot of Jpop fans are bitter because Kpop is gaining a lot more attention than Jpop and because they think Jpop is oh-so-superior to Kpop.

I think that Kpop fandom's main negative point is the loud and obnoxious fans, while Jpop's negative point is the elitist ones
Yes x 1000. Obsessive fans bring themselves their own downfall and bad reputation.
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Old 23rd July 2011, 03:18 AM
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I think that Kpop fandom's main negative point is the loud and obnoxious fans, while Jpop's negative point is the elitist ones
THIS.

When it comes to K-pop, I usually just keep my opinions and thoughts to myself. To be honest I personally do not communicate with other K-pop fans because of their irrational and childish behavior. The way some of those fans carry themselves is just downright repulsive and maddening. Real talk. Besides, I'm mostly a fan of old school K-pop (1999-2002).
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Old 25th July 2011, 03:29 AM
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As for the crazy Western based kpop fans, I think for awhile they were living in the shadow of Jpop and Jpop fans, and so they built up this anti-Jpop thing and they were often times very defensive. Now that kpop is gaining popularity, they're moving into this whole "yeah we've always been better" "kpop ftw" "korea is the best" type of thing
Pretty much exactly what I would've said if you hadn't already.

I see a lot more crazy coming from the K-Pop fans than those of J-Pop though. I'm a fan of both J and K-Pop, and have encountered SO MUCH more hostility from K-Pop fans. J-Pop fans, like someone said, can be very elitist with their favorite artists and put down other artists, but the unwarranted hatred was almost always toward the rival artists, not fans. With K-Pop, if you say one negative thing about a K-Pop group, you're automatically a "hater". I remember all this retarded drama on last.fm on the 4minute page where people would flip their **** on anyone who said they didn't worship a new song or something like that. They'd literally worship Hyuna and call other female K-Pop group rappers (like Miryo and CL) dykes; I kid you not. It's just...disgusting. It honestly lead to me disliking 4minute, as crazy as that sounds. A similar thing happened to me with Hikki because of some really extreme fans, but Hikki's the only Japanese artist that's happened to me with. With K-Pop, I practically can't even listen to or watch SNSD because all I can think of is their craziest fans (which seems to be about 75% of them) and how freakily obsessed they are.

Some people just need to calm the **** down.
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Old 28th July 2011, 11:50 AM
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Pretty much exactly what I would've said if you hadn't already.

I see a lot more crazy coming from the K-Pop fans than those of J-Pop though. I'm a fan of both J and K-Pop, and have encountered SO MUCH more hostility from K-Pop fans. J-Pop fans, like someone said, can be very elitist with their favorite artists and put down other artists, but the unwarranted hatred was almost always toward the rival artists, not fans. With K-Pop, if you say one negative thing about a K-Pop group, you're automatically a "hater". I remember all this retarded drama on last.fm on the 4minute page where people would flip their **** on anyone who said they didn't worship a new song or something like that. They'd literally worship Hyuna and call other female K-Pop group rappers (like Miryo and CL) dykes; I kid you not. It's just...disgusting. It honestly lead to me disliking 4minute, as crazy as that sounds. A similar thing happened to me with Hikki because of some really extreme fans, but Hikki's the only Japanese artist that's happened to me with. With K-Pop, I practically can't even listen to or watch SNSD because all I can think of is their craziest fans (which seems to be about 75% of them) and how freakily obsessed they are.

Some people just need to calm the **** down.
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Someone else touched upon it in this thread already but as for the Korean fans themselves being "intense", it has to do with it's essentially preteens to teens that listen to idol music in Korea. The possessiveness, jealousy, bashing, harassment, etc. stems from immaturity.
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Old 22nd July 2011, 01:58 PM
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Hm there are also "anti-kpop" lovers of jpop
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Old 22nd July 2011, 02:14 PM
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Hm there are also "anti-kpop" lovers of jpop
Of course there are, but I think that KPop-fans are more intense, when it comes to hating.
I can only speak about my personal experiences, though.

Their reasons for hating JPop are mostly:

*Japanese artists can't sing as well as Korean
*can't dance as well
*and are in general not as talented as Korean musicians

Korean musicians (or at least idol groups) seem to get a very strict - not to say cruel - training.
But there are so many Japanese singers, who are just as talented as Korean ones.


I just don't get all the hate thing. Why a person would want to waste their time and energy with hating somebody is beyond me!
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Old 22nd July 2011, 02:18 PM
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Hm I still don't agree. I become convinced by going through various sites and communities that both sides are insane. and both contain trolls
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Old 22nd July 2011, 02:26 PM
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Hm I still don't agree. I become convinced by going through various sites and communities that both sides are insane. and both contain trolls
Like I have said...I can only speak from personal experiences, but I'm sure that you're right.

I can remember that JPop-fans on tumblr stopped following my blog, because I started posting KPop-graphics! I mean what the...!


But I try to stay as far away from drama as possible. I already have enough drama in my own life and really don't need to participate in stupid fights between JPop- and KPop-fans!

When I like a song then I like it and I couldn't care less from which country the singers are from!
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Old 23rd July 2011, 02:25 AM
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Like I have said...I can only speak from personal experiences, but I'm sure that you're right.

I can remember that JPop-fans on tumblr stopped following my blog, because I started posting KPop-graphics! I mean what the...!

But I try to stay as far away from drama as possible. I already have enough drama in my own life and really don't need to participate in stupid fights between JPop- and KPop-fans!

When I like a song then I like it and I couldn't care less from which country the singers are from!
That's what I hate about 'Anti-Kpop' Jpop Fans especially in tumblr. I stay following ones even with JPop biases that I don't like. Idc really as long as we have something other than that to share.

And I agree, as long as it's enjoyable whenever they came from I don't care!

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Really ? I didn't want to bring this up but it's mostly Jpop fans who hate Kpop, not vice versa, all the Kpop fans I've met either like Jpop as well or simply have zero interest in it.

From what I've seen (here and in Arama), a lot of Jpop fans are bitter because Kpop is gaining a lot more attention than Jpop and because they think Jpop is oh-so-superior to Kpop.

I think that Kpop fandom's main negative point is the loud and obnoxious fans, while Jpop's negative point is the elitist ones
Indeed. Both sides have negative sides. Not just one. Like Koumori agree on!

Besides, based on my experience KPop fans don't really care about what happen in JPop scenes so they kinda shut about it until it involves their idol.
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thats why i keep away.
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Old 22nd July 2011, 03:45 PM
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haters gonna hate anyway, wether it's jpop hate or kpop hate
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Old 22nd July 2011, 04:00 PM
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I think it has something to do with the Korean culture, I'm no expert in Korean culture and I only speak from what I've heard from a Korean friend. Koreans tend to be blunt about things which I think translate to being aggressive when someone criticize their idol and in the same way do horrible things to the idols they don't like just because they can.

I'm probably wrong but I doubt any knows the answer since it's very subjective.
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Old 22nd July 2011, 04:57 PM
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I'm sure sensationalism has something to do with it as well.

The KPop industry loves to (over)hype up news about themselves so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes both ways for both good news and bad news. It's a "any publicity is good publicity" mentality and it probably feeds a vicious cycle of fans eating up the hype and acting crazy and then media outlets reporting on that craziness.

If there was no hype, the KPop industry and fandoms probably wouldn't be that much different from JPop.
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Old 22nd July 2011, 06:12 PM
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Okay, I didn't have a CLUE about the crazy fanboys and girls until I read this thread (yes sometimes I'm a very clueless girl) but the part about the girl that commited suicide just brought me to tears, I'm really shocked ._.
I can't understand people who act like that ^^;
Envy is sure a sickening thing ^^;
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Old 22nd July 2011, 06:51 PM
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I think kpop fans are so crazy because the most of them are teenagers. Teens are always crazy...
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Old 23rd July 2011, 02:55 AM
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This thread has opened my eyes. Holy, I didn't know that these kinds of things went on in the K-Pop fandom. I assumed it would be only as bad as the J-Pop fandom.
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Old 23rd July 2011, 04:53 AM
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Old 23rd July 2011, 05:52 AM
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It's hard, in my opinion, to be loud and obnoxious and not be elitist, haha. But again, everyone has different experiences. The reason I didn't talk about Jpop fans was because this is a topic on Kpop fans...

Of course Jpop has crazy fans. Although the elitism I feel with Jpop fans is usually towards other Jpop singers. i.e. koda is better than ayu, utada is the best compared to anyone, etc etc.

Plus, the majority of my experience with kpop fans was from 2004-2006, when I listened to both jpop and kpop equally and regularly. kpop fans then and now are quite different, which I believe is due to the recent popularity spike with korean music.

but yes, both sides of the spectrum have crazy fans. no better no worse, just crazy.
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as far as i know...
those kpop fans who feels superior than other,,,,everythng made in korea is a masterpiece...
noone on the earth can sing and dance like their idol n idolize them like a god...
n when it comes to jpop...they bash jpop like jpop idol r talentless cant sing n can dance..
dont forget about the kpop media who blow up n exagerating all the news...
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as far as i know...
those kpop fans who feels superior than other,,,,everythng made in korea is a masterpiece...
noone on the earth can sing and dance like their idol n idolize them like a god...
n when it comes to jpop...they bash jpop like jpop idol r talentless cant sing n can dance..
dont forget about the kpop media who blow up n exagerating all the news...
There are people who treat J-Pop like its better than everything the way you describe K-Pop fans. I find that there are some who think that all of Japan is superior, won't listen to anything but J-Pop, eat with chopsticks, only watch anime etc. There are fans like that in every fandom, not just K-Pop.
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