ARENA TOUR 2012 A ~HOTEL Love songs~ information thread [II]

[ayu_ready?]

^what about AKB & KARA huge sales at this time of high-developed digital downloads then?

[polka-dot-jewel]

Originally Posted by ayu_ready?

^what about AKB & KARA huge sales at this time of high-developed digital downloads then?

They, at least idol groups like AKB48 (not sure about KARA, though I wouldn't be surprised), always offer handshaking tickets and other goods like that with their singles. You can't get those with digital releases. Plus, at least with AKB48, there's 48 members... with Ayu, there's one. Only so many people like Ayu, yet millions of people could like AKB48 because there's 48 of them.

[*Petit*]

Originally Posted by ayu_ready?

^what about AKB & KARA huge sales at this time of high-developed digital downloads then?

you gotta realise they're not first and foremost selling the tracks / the music on those CDs. When the most important segment of their fanbase buy 50 copies to win a prize or something not at all related to the music but to one of the paricipants, no wonder they get sales far out of the ordinary. Same goes for handshake events that have been mentioned here, if they can make each person buy one extra CD per handshake and they have that many girls in the group it can of course increase sales quite a bit.

Japanese CD sales have always been pretty front loaded, but these days it's gotten to the point where you can pretty much tell that only people that follow an artist vigorously, usually core fans, buy CDs and so the sales aren't necessarily indicating any sort of mainstream popularity of a track. It doesn't just go for idol groups, but any artist really.

[relmy]

Originally Posted by *Petit*

Japanese CD sales have always been pretty front loaded, but these days it's gotten to the point where you can pretty much tell that only people that follow an artist vigorously, usually core fans, buy CDs and so the sales aren't necessarily indicating any sort of mainstream popularity of a track. It doesn't just go for idol groups, but any artist really.

The thing I found interesting about AKB48 though, is how long their singles stayed on the Oricon after the events they were tied to had passed. Many even appeared in the following years top 100. Heavy Rotation came out in 2010 but is #52 on the 2011 yearly chart (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/y/2011/more/3/), Beginner was #92 and Ponytail was #100 (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/y/2011/more/5/).

[ayu_ready?]

Originally Posted by relmy

The thing I found interesting about AKB48 though, is how long their singles stayed on the Oricon after the events they were tied to had passed. Many even appeared in the following years top 100. Heavy Rotation came out in 2011 but is #52 on the 2011 yearly chart (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/y/2011/more/3/), Beginner was #92 and Ponytail was #100 (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/y/2011/more/5/).

yeah

[TeamAyu2004]

wow... 2 who groups out of how many people making music!
Man talk about a revolution.

AKB are what you call phenomenal. Besides, they still dont match the album sales of 10 years ago.
As a whole the physical side of the sales as gone drastically down.

[LacusClyne]

^actually in AKB48, there's at least 64 of them in different teams, and having so many members, the media exposure is much higher as different members get different jobs offer. Their CMs are all over Japan with different members.

And yes, the handshaking coupon is the major bait to get people to buy the CDs.

[Luja.]

I might be in the wrong thread to ask this, but did anyone who attended the concerts get this limited photobook Leslie did? It'd be interesting to know some more about what's inside or seeing scans.

(sorry for interrupting the ongoing conversation)

[polka-dot-jewel]

Originally Posted by Luja.

I might be in the wrong thread to ask this, but did anyone who attended the concerts get this limited photobook Leslie did? It'd be interesting to know some more about what's inside or seeing scans.

(sorry for interrupting the ongoing conversation)

lol The conversation going on has nothing to do with this thread, which is the tour thread. Interesting conversation, but yours is more relevant (It may have been relevant at first, but now it's not...not to this thread, anyway.)

The tour blog posted a picture with one person who got the book. (There may have been more than one, but when I checked about a week or so ago, they just posted one picture.) It's very, very hard to win the book. There's only so many copies of the book and eyelashes. Most people were winning posters from the draw.

[FoxyPinkGirl]

Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel

The tour blog posted a picture with one person who got the book. (There may have been more than one, but when I checked about a week or so ago, they just posted one picture.) It's very, very hard to win the book.

yeah I noticed that picture of the winner, she didn't look happy though lol

[Luja.]

Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel

lol The conversation going on has nothing to do with this thread, which is the tour thread. Interesting conversation, but yours is more relevant (It may have been relevant at first, but now it's not...not to this thread, anyway.)

The tour blog posted a picture with one person who got the book. (There may have been more than one, but when I checked about a week or so ago, they just posted one picture.) It's very, very hard to win the book. There's only so many copies of the book and eyelashes. Most people were winning posters from the draw.

haha, I didn't really read through it. Just wanted to make sure I'm not interrupting something important.

Thanks for the info. I saw some inside photos on twitter and it looks so nice, with all the smiling fans and such.
I'd love to have this book, a shame it can only be won at concert venues.

[relmy]

The whole "declining sales" mess would be fixed if Oricon got it's act together and started counting digital sales.

Although, then you'd have the problem of how a loot of the downloads are ringtone downloads, which you can't really chart alongside full track downloads or buying a single.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Oricon should have their own digital sales chart, but they should focus on trying to count all the damn physical sales first, including all the ones they sell at the concert venues, not just some stupid percentage.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW

Oricon should have their own digital sales chart, but they should focus on trying to count all the damn physical sales first, including all the ones they sell at the concert venues, not just some stupid percentage.

They only do the percentage thing now because apparently some labels tried to cheat and submit numbers that were overinflated/false during events.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ there really is no way to track that though. they could go by what the company tells them, but there is no way to know if that its the real number.
I think thats why they only track a "few" of the copies.

[truehappiness]

call has replaced Letter in the encore starting with the second Osaka show.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ aw, i like both songs so much! She should just do both and get it over with!

[Earth_maiden]

I bet we won't hear either on the DVD, it will be an upcoming single or something. That's what I hate about earlier live shows, we end up missing out when it comes to DVD.

[MissElin_]

Originally Posted by Earth_maiden

I bet we won't hear either on the DVD, it will be an upcoming single or something. That's what I hate about earlier live shows, we end up missing out when it comes to DVD.

Ikr. Like Last Links and meaning of LOVE in AT10. Thankfully I got to see those songs live but they really should have got into the DVD. Especially Last Links. Booh.

If she/we/I have to choose I want Letter on the DVD instead of call anyday.

[Earth_maiden]

^I'm so disappointed we didn't get those, plus alterna!! Did you see it live at AT10? Last angel was pretty awesome, but I wanted alterna more...

QUESTION. Is there only 5 types of this strap, or 10?

http://www.yesasia.com/global/ayumi-...0-en/info.html

Becasue Yesasia says there's 5 types, but the live report from Misa chan's translation says there's 10, I think...