taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I dunno, all I know is that it doesn't bother me. Plenty of people copy all the time and no one really notices unless you've heard some obscure song [see Ai Otsuka + the many songs that she's apparently copied in some way and so on..]

It doesn't bother me either, I mean it's just an interlude. There are billions of songs out there, every 100th can have something similar to at least another 100.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

It doesn't bother me either, I mean it's just an interlude. There are billions of songs out there, every 100th can have something similar to at least another 100.

I sort of understand where people are coming from, since taskinst is almost a direct copy of "Don't Tell Me" but honestly, it's nothing to make a big deal about.

People found out, and so what? No one's really gonna do anything about it because no one really cares. And for those that do, it's a waste of their time/energy/brainpower angsting over someone else's work. [which is clearly better than the original tbh.]

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Personally, I think that the taskinst thing came subconsciously to tasuku.. like, he was rushed when creating the Secret album and he ended up using the same melody or something.

That sounds like a horrible excuse. Subconsciously? Come on. If it did, he would've heard it before, so wouldn't he at one point be listening to the final song and think "Hmmm I heard this before somewhere"? Like come on, the song is a clone.

The thing is, you listen to a song (or interlude) and think "wow, this is really good work". And then it's just not. It's more of an integrity thing I guess. It would've been different had they actually credited the real composers. But this wasn't tasuku's work.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

That sounds like a horrible excuse. Subconsciously? Come on. If it did, he would've heard it before, so wouldn't he at one point be listening to the final song and think "Hmmm I heard this before somewhere"? Like come on, the song is a clone.

The thing is, you listen to a song (or interlude) and think "wow, this is really good work". And then it's just not. It's more of an integrity thing I guess. It would've been different had they actually credited the real composers. But this wasn't tasuku's work.

Well, whatever happened, I don't really care. Sure the song is like a 99.9% - 100% clone, but eh. It's useless to hold a 'grudge' towards tasuku tbh. He produces some good work, and honestly, I don't know if people care in the long run.. after all one of tasuku's previous Ayu-interludes was completely gypped by the Taiwanese trio band "F.I.R" and of course, no one gave a hoot about it.

Not really trying to make any excuses here, but I think that it's something that shouldn't be made a big deal of, but should still be remembered.. it just seems like people are disliking him simply because of some dumb melody that he copied. So what?

EDIT: And suppose people did care.. no one really listens to Hoobastank to begin with. The album that "Don't Tell Me" was on barely scraped past 172,000 in total sales.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, whatever happened, I don't really care. Sure the song is like a 99.9% - 100% clone, but eh. It's useless to hold a 'grudge' towards tasuku tbh. He produces some good work, and honestly, I don't know if people care in the long run.. after all one of tasuku's previous Ayu-interludes was completely gypped by the Taiwanese trio band "F.I.R" and of course, no one gave a hoot about it.

Not really trying to make any excuses here, but I think that it's something that shouldn't be made a big deal of, but should still be remembered.. it just seems like people are disliking him simply because of some dumb melody that he copied. So what?

I'm mostly annoyed by how it's not his name on it, but ayu's. It's her name on the cover. Also, if he did that once, when will he do it again? Has he done it before? If a full song would turn out to be a rip off it would be awful.

[luna7996]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

People found out, and so what? No one's really gonna do anything about it because no one really cares. And for those that do, it's a waste of their time/energy/brainpower angsting over someone else's work. [which is clearly better than the original tbh.]

Well said.

[ayumisrael]

I don't think it's a big deal (with tasuku's related issue) mainly since he/avex weren't sued for anything so it's all fine.
I also don't think it's a big deal when someone copies ayu since I feel proud of her when someone wants something she did or do something exactly like her XD
It's annoying if there aren't at least credits or bought copyrights though.

[GRACE]

It's fine for him to arrange songs for her, but it should stop there. No more compositions, no more task interludes, he blew it with taskinist. It's an integrity thing. Plus, the final product has her name on it in big letters and his in small print, so people make the conclusion "Ayumi copied" not "tasuku copied."

Arrangement's are fine, because it's really impossible to copy an arrangement to a song that has a brand new melody, so I'm quite excited for GREEN =D~

[truehappiness]

Well, he's only had about 5 compositions with Ayu, so I don't think he'll be doing many more in the future. [taskinlude, taskinillusion, fairyland, tasking, taskinst] But if he does do one, I expect something good to come from it.. it's not like he's a bad composer because of one "screwup." I think it's dumb to not want any more task- interludes just because of taskinst, since he's obviously good at what he does.

I don't necessarily think it's Ayu's name plastered on the track, since she's technically nowhere to be found on it, and it's called "task(tasuku)inst" meaning that this is "task's (tasuku's) work" and you'll see very often that Ayu often calls his interludes by these names.. lol.

09 taskinst
music and arrangement: tasuku

ayu: This is one of the task series, which has become customary to my album. -laughs- First of all please laugh at the title. -laughs- This one’s also like “this is task” and I like it. The melody’s pretty with the music box sound, it is sad and also eerie… sort of.
It starts with heart-beating atmosphere and all of a sudden, the guitar sound strikes! it really shows what task is like.

I wonder if Ayu would question it if it is brought to her attention.. but eh.

[GRACE]

Ayu's name is on the album, Ayu's name is listed as the artist when you put the CD into your computer, not tasuku. That's enough for some people. taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by GRACE

Ayu's name is on the album, Ayu's name is listed as the artist when you put the CD into your computer, not tasuku. That's enough for some people. taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

Okay then?

Well, however you feel about it, it's not gonna stop Ayu from choosing his task-interludes / compositions in the future. So, you're gonna just have to deal.

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by GRACE

taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).

It definitely says something about his integrity, that he as a composer, who doesn't even compose that often for her, stole someones composition. That's like a painter knocking off another painting and then claim it his or a writer copying a story and then claim it his. Come on, it's your job, how about doing it. He got payed for something he didn't compose, that just sucks.

[GRACE]

I'm just saying that I agree with zoomzoom, I was a little irked as well to see the "OMG HE'S BACK" comments, and also the "well, he copied off a no-name group so no one cares" =/ It may not seem like a big deal, but it really is =/...

Anyway, arranging is fine with me though, I just hope GREEN doesn't change too much XP I'm quite fond of it already~ But, if Ayu likes it so much, then I'm sure it'll be awesome, I hope it leaks out soon~

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by GRACE

I'm just saying that I agree with zoomzoom, I was a little irked as well to see the "OMG HE'S BACK" comments, and also the "well, he copied off a no-name group so no one cares" =/ It may not seem like a big deal, but it really is =/...

Anyway, arranging is fine with me though, I just hope GREEN doesn't change too much XP I'm quite fond of it already~ But, if Ayu likes it so much, then I'm sure it'll be awesome, I hope it leaks out soon~

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Well, the reason why people are like "YES HE'S BACK" is because he's an awesome arranger who brings something new to the table with his unique arrangements.

I mean, for the most part, AHS members probably don't know about the whole taskinst / Don't Tell Me issue and either have known about it somehow and don't care, or they're extremely blind so as to not see it because "Ayu doesn't copy." to them. Whatever the case is, it's obvious that this is being made a bigger deal of that it should be and in the long run, "boycotting" tasuku isn't going to do anything. Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

YAAAAAY!!

[zoomzoom]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

That doesn't make it ok, then we just wouldn't know about it, so of course we wouldn't say anything. If any other song is a rip off, we don't say anything because we don't know.

Originally Posted by HONEY_INSPIRE_ME19

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

I think you should direct that back at yourself.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by zoomzoom

I think you should direct that back at yourself.

I'm just tired of you complaining about something so small.. That's all.. Just get over it!! If it's not a big deal, then you shouldn't make it seem like it! >P

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by HONEY_INSPIRE_ME19

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! (the other two words are "Shut up")

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

Amen

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

It's definitely concrete, but I think that there could be circumstances here that we don't know.. like we have no idea how he came up with his melody, or if he's even heard the Hoobastank album before.. personally, I think it should be laid to rest, since it's a topic that I don't think anyone likes talking about.

edit: Can a moderator move all of these posts to the taskinst thread? I mean, they're basically the same comments as the ones already there, but eh.

[YuriChan]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

Sorry... The reason I said that was because I was tired of them complain about this crap over and over again! I'm sorry that I offended some people. D: