ARENA TOUR 2009 A ~NEXT LEVEL~ setlist and pictures [II]

[jierarudo]

there've been reports/comments/postings from fans on how the stage is so simple this year, how boring they think the costumes are, but in my opinion these people are forgetting that we've got a BLOODY RECESSION going on.

every. single. industry is affected. and the music industry's definitely not spared too.

budgets have to be cut, costs have to be be minimized - in fact i'm wouldn't be surprised if she didn't do an asian leg this year because the costs would simply escalate.

also, i think people around this forum should stop complaining and whining that the tour should have been done this way, the songs should have been included this way, or the dresses should have been worn that way.

if you've not been to the concert with ayu dancing live on a stage in front of your very eyes, then i think you should reserve your comments AT LEAST until you've seen it. seeing a concert live is very different from just reading reports on them.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by jierarudo

there've been reports/comments/postings from fans on how the stage is so simple this year, how boring they think the costumes are, but in my opinion these people are forgetting that we've got a BLOODY RECESSION going on.

every. single. industry is affected. and the music industry's definitely not spared too.

budgets have to be cut, costs have to be be minimized - in fact i'm wouldn't be surprised if she didn't do an asian leg this year because the costs would simply escalate.

also, i think people around this forum should stop complaining and whining that the tour should have been done this way, the songs should have been included this way, or the dresses should have been worn that way.

if you've not been to the concert with ayu dancing live on a stage in front of your very eyes, then i think you should reserve your comments AT LEAST until you've seen it. seeing a concert live is very different from just reading reports on them.

I don't think so. (about the recession) lol It's sort of like fashion you know...Yeah the industry is going on, yes they acknowledge it, yes they give you advice to buy investment pieces...but...do they lower their prices? No. Do they start using cheaper materials? No. Are any of the runway shows and campaigns less grand? No.

Besides, Ayu has a lot of fans here that have been fans for a long time. Some people have come to know exactly what one of the her tours will be like after reading just the reports. Especially in the recent years where her tours are getting more and more recycled. Most everyone here has a knowledge of Ayu that allows discussion.

Besides, if we didn't discuss these things, these threads would be totally boring and so would the Ayu forum. A lot of people have made very good comments on all sides of the discussion, I wouldn't want to stop that just because people think we should be quiet until the videos come out.

[noidea]

^ But she has more attendees this year, all of them paying the same they payed the last years, why would they cut the budget, even if theres a recession going on?

[wannajoin_Team Ayu]

Originally Posted by noidea

^ But she has more attendees this year, all of them paying the same they payed the last years, why would they cut the budget, even if theres a recession going on?

maybe avex wants similar amount (or even more) income by putting less cost
this make shareholders happy and price of stock will rise and rise

[Ayumi27]

Yeah, the recession isn't directly related to Ayu's tour

Lack of props, amazing costumes and sets was due to the little time she had this year to put on the show. And about the music industry, it has been falling for years now

[Tony G]

Originally Posted by Ayumi27

Lack of props, amazing costumes and sets was due to the little time she had this year to put on the show. And about the music industry, it has been falling for years now

Amen to this - it's the reason why this show is less spectacular than previous years.

[~X2RADialbomber~]

Don't bring the god damn 'recession' into this. God you people blame everything on the recession >___>

[jierarudo]

i know discussion's always welcomed (just like how we are here hahaha) but there's a fine line between discussing and... well, whining and complaining about everything.

all i'm saying is that ayu, though she yields the most power, isn't the only one involved in the decision-making processes. there are so many factors influencing the planning of a concert and how it'll eventually be presented to the audience.

and emiko san, i love, love, LOVE your analogy of using fashion, but i think we're looking at two very different industries altogether. a louis vuitton bag may cost $5000, but the people who buy such bags are EXPECTED TO and know that they have to pay such a premium amount, even in such tough times. the thing is, people will still gladly fork $$$ for them because c'est la mode!

and i'm not blaming the recession! i think it could be a factor in shaping ayu's tour this year, and i just hope people will bear that in mind and keep it real, that's all.

[Andrenekoi]

I think that sometimes there are so many effort in producing the concert, and the technology used is expensive, but people thinks that everything was simple cause they don't see the expensive aspects of it

Don't know if this is the case, but that's happened on Madonna's "The Girlie Show"... it has one of the most complex stages she ever used, but it appears to be very simple... =)

[Ayumi27]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I think that sometimes there are so many effort in producing the concert, and the technology used is expensive, but people thinks that everything was simple cause they don't see the expensive aspects of it

Don't know if this is the case, but that's happened on Madonna's "The Girlie Show"... it has one of the most complex stages she ever used, but it appears to be very simple... =)

Yeah, I go along with that. I was just thinking of The Girlie Show as an example too.

And it's ok to share opinions and complain about the NL tour, but it's still early to judge the complexity, innovation or design of the stage when we've seen only one or two pics of it

@noidea:


See, from that pic the stage seemed a plain and typical one, but it actually took days to construct it in each city, and had several props, lights, platforms, elevators, curtains, moving platforms for the band members, and even a pole for pole dancing (don't know how to say it), which had a height of over 10 meters

[noidea]

^ Co9uld you post a picture of that stage? I dont know about Madonnas concerts

[Andrenekoi]

Some videos of the concert...
I would post the Erotica performace if the pole-dancer wasn't topless xD~~

Vogue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvFgJG9-nU
Rain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8e2oaNNykM
Bye Bye Baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeM4-2JNM6Q
Justify my Love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNhqYV6DBA4

See? The stage seens very simple x_x

[AyUta]

I really like the costumes for this tour

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by AyUta

I really like the costumes for this tour

That's the first time I've seen somebody say that lol.

I don't mind them I mean they just keep her from being naked after all... Hmm... maybe she should be naked.

[AyUta]

^ Really? Hardly anyone likes them? @_@ I think they're nice

[hpg23]

-Black Latex Rule costume: It´s cool, nothing new, fits the song and all. I like that it doesn´t has the open sides like on the PV. But I´m not convinced much by her hair... I´ll have to wait to see it on video.

-Cheerleader outfit: I don´t see why everyone loves this one. It´s ok, but a bit too cute and ugly imo. If it were simpler I would like it more. Also, red is not the color that best suits her.

-Black outfit with her midriff exposed and hat: I don´t like her with hats xDD but well, it´s ok. I like her tie though.

-Big puffy white dress with sleeves closed: No. I don´t see her love for those dresses. They are horrible, seem like taken out from the 19th century and they make her look extremely old. Same goes for the pink-arms open one, but that is even cheesier. I like the correlation of Days with the pink color but really, it makes her look old. And how many times have we seen the "changing dress" trick before?

-Militar outfit with miniskirt: The best outfit of the whole show, and the only one that doesn´t have faults in my opinion. She looks young, sexy and powerful.

-White glittery tuxedo: Is this Ayu or A.I.? Looks pretty much disgusting. She is like the Bling Bling Bling Mama in this.

-Black latex costume with the corset: This is one of the best too. She looks sexy and fierce, but it looks a bit recycled from past concerts.

-Sparkle one with wig and Scawaii jacket: Oh... my ... god. Along with the one used for Days, this is the worst of the worst. That wig makes her face look like a dish, that jacket is totally inaproppiate for Sparkle (she should have used latex here imo) and the pants seem to be recycled from the Black outfit with midriff exposed. She looks kinda ridiculous. No, no, no ...

-Encore one: one of the best too. She looks very young and happy, and I like her trousers with that part falling over her lap. Looks very cute.

The best outfits imo: Encore one, militar one and black latex with corset one.
The worst outfits imo: Cheerleader one, Puffy white/pink dresses, sparkle one, white tuxedo D:

[Ayumi27]

Originally Posted by hpg23

-Black Latex Rule costume: It´s cool, nothing new, fits the song and all. I like that it doesn´t has the open sides like on the PV. But I´m not convinced much by her hair... I´ll have to wait to see it on video.

-Cheerleader outfit: I don´t see why everyone loves this one. It´s ok, but a bit too cute and ugly imo. If it were simpler I would like it more. Also, red is not the color that best suits her.

-Black outfit with her midriff exposed and hat: I don´t like her with hats xDD but well, it´s ok. I like her tie though.

-Big puffy white dress with sleeves closed: No. I don´t see her love for those dresses. They are horrible, seem like taken out from the 19th century and they make her look extremely old. Same goes for the pink-arms open one, but that is even cheesier. I like the correlation of Days with the pink color but really, it makes her look old. And how many times have we seen the "changing dress" trick before?

-Militar outfit with miniskirt: The best outfit of the whole show, and the only one that doesn´t have faults in my opinion. She looks young, sexy and powerful.

-White glittery tuxedo: Is this Ayu or A.I.? Looks pretty much disgusting. She is like the Bling Bling Bling Mama in this.

-Black latex costume with the corset: This is one of the best too. She looks sexy and fierce, but it looks a bit recycled from past concerts.

-Sparkle one with wig and Scawaii jacket: Oh... my ... god. Along with the one used for Days, this is the worst of the worst. That wig makes her face look like a dish, that jacket is totally inaproppiate for Sparkle (she should have used latex here imo) and the pants seem to be recycled from the Black outfit with midriff exposed. She looks kinda ridiculous. No, no, no ...

-Encore one: one of the best too. She looks very young and happy, and I like her trousers with that part falling over her lap. Looks very cute.

The best outfits imo: Encore one, militar one and black latex with corset one.
The worst outfits imo: Cheerleader one, Puffy white/pink dresses, sparkle one, white tuxedo D:

100% agreed!
Although this is the first time I actually find the encore costume among the best (or among the less disappointing in this case )

[Uemarasan]

If there's one thing I learned it's that A LOT is lost when a concert is viewed on video. A LOT. Nothing compares to seeing a concert live, and I think an opinion based on a concert video is only halfway there.

People who don't think the recession is a factor in Ayu scaling down her concert are people who are obviously not working, or don't know that mommy and daddy are very much affected by the recession. Stop living in a bubble.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by Uemarasan

If there's one thing I learned it's that A LOT is lost when a concert is viewed on video. A LOT. Nothing compares to seeing a concert live, and I think an opinion based on a concert video is only halfway there.

People who don't think the recession is a factor in Ayu scaling down her concert are people who are obviously not working, or don't know that mommy and daddy are very much affected by the recession. Stop living in a bubble.

Sorry. I like my bubble.

I do not think that a recession is a reason why ayu's concerts have to suck.

Look at the live TA concert or stadium tour. Doesn't need a ton of effects and crap to look good.

Neither does she need a ton of munny to look good either.

I bet they could have come out with better costumes if ayu had just reached into her closet and pulled something out.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by emiko

Sorry. I like my bubble.

I do not think that a recession is a reason why ayu's concerts have to suck.

Look at the live TA concert or stadium tour. Doesn't need a ton of effects and crap to look good.

Neither does she need a ton of munny to look good either.

I bet they could have come out with better costumes if ayu had just reached into her closet and pulled something out.

I hope someone shot her on the head if she uses anything similar to stadium tour or TA concert outfits again... most of them were awful ><