[CHARTS + SALES] GUILTY - ORICON STYLE Thread 5

[Neil]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Just cuz we're used to bigger ayu sales, doesn't mean t2m and g/f weren't hits, remember that Ami's Delightful was considered a hit and it sold around 97 k. Same goes for Ku's Butterfly (125) and BoA's Winter Love, Shimatani's Garnet Moon and so on. Just the fact that the single sold over 100k means that the song was a pretty good/big hit. Even Ku's LOVE & HONEY only sold 150 k, and Ai Otsuka only ever had one single to sell more than 200 k. The good thing about Ayu's single sales is that they either go up or down, and not just down ^^ As for the albums, I am glad to see that GUILTY sold so well, as it wasn't as main stream as PLAY and it outsold it, and it even sold damn close to Kingdom with less singles, PVs, extras and less commercial/mainstream songs.

Ai Otsuka has had 3 singles sell more than 200k.
And I think it's wrong to say just 'cos those Ayu singles sold more than 100k they were 'hits'. Even by Ayu's current standards, t2m sort of bombed. Lowest selling Ayu single EVER (apart from her debut year).

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Neil

Ai Otsuka has had 3 singles sell more than 200k.
And I think it's wrong to say just 'cos those Ayu singles sold more than 100k they were 'hits'. Even by Ayu's current standards, t2m sort of bombed. Lowest selling Ayu single EVER (apart from her debut year).

My bad, Ai had 3 singles to sell over 200 k out of 19 ^^ but that wasn't the point, what I was trying to say is that, SOME ARTISTS would be happy to have a low selling single of 110 k or whatever t2m had.

[Milox]

Originally Posted by Neil

Ai Otsuka has had 3 singles sell more than 200k.
And I think it's wrong to say just 'cos those Ayu singles sold more than 100k they were 'hits'. Even by Ayu's current standards, t2m sort of bombed. Lowest selling Ayu single EVER (apart from her debut year).

Not really, you also have to take into consideration the amount of promotion it was given.

So by those standards, either glitter/fated or Mirrocle World have been her biggest bombs.

t2m had the usual promotion but nothing that big, and it was released in a month no one was selling good too.

[freedreamer]

Originally Posted by apple-pi

Yep, I love WONDERLAND sooo much as well. And that's another one people seem to dislike, isn't it weird? o____O Well, with WONDERLAND at least, what I hear people say is that they don't like it because "it's creepy", which I guess makes sense, if you don't like creepy things XD (which I do) But with Marionette -prelude-, most people I see complaining about it say it's boring, and that's something I find very very bizarre hahaha.

And now that you mention it, yeah, MY STORY was quite balanced. And it's good how it managed it balance all the different things without sounding messy and "pointless", it has a good flow... mm. But the albums I can see Ayu's thoughts the most are the 3 first, maybe because from I am... onwards she started minding the listener more ("I didn't have the mental space to think of the listener..." and all that lol) I get a feeling that she starting trying to "translate" her lyrics to make them understandable for everyone, where her first writings were more "raw". But maybe that's just me, haha XD

Anyway, MW was a good start for the year, I've even seen some people who are not usually Ayu fans impressed by it, and that's always a good thing XD If she keeps this quality up, I'll really be looking forward to the next album. And if she keeps these SALES up (since MW is doing great right now) who knows what we can expect haha XD (though I still hope MW won't be included on the next album! XD)

MY STORY was the first album I bought!! haha..and yes, It was really gd. The ballads and the rock. EVERYTHING!
Wonderland is ok though i prefer Marionette -prelude- because I've been listening to the latter more hahaha...
(in those days, couldnt appreciate interludes...heh)

Originally Posted by apple-pi

Aww, I care about sales. I want good music to be recognized. It pisses me off when an artist releases a bunch of great albums that sell like crap, and then a crap album that sells great. And I'm always really really happy when an artist releases lame music and doesn't sell, and when they come up with something awesome, people start buying<3 Or like, when these really unknown underrated artists who make great music suddenly get recognized and become famous<3 Hahaha... and since I'm so used to Ayu's current status in the music industry, it's hard to think that one day she just won't be as famous anymore. But of course, sales are just a detail in the end ^^

Yea i agree. Good songs deserve to be bought and kept. Apparently, people don't see it like us though. They probably download Ayu's songs and buy someone elses...and no idea why that happens..

[apple-pi]

If she makes a lighter album, I'd rather have a LOVEppears-like album - fun songs, but meaningful lyrics. (m)u feels to me like it was too americanized for Ayu and the lyrics are overall quite weak, meh. MY STORY I consider a rock album, so not much of a change o_______O

But really, a lot of bad stuff was happening to Ayu lately, so that's probably what influenced her into making a dark album. This time around she seems to be feeling better, so the next one will probably be more balanced, I think. It still will probably sell less than GUILTY though, IMO... I feel like it's very hard to get your album sales up after you're already past your peak... isn't it? First they go up and up, then down and down, that's what's normal... I think. I'm happy enough that the drop from Secret and GUILTY was small~

BTW I don't understand what people have against the Marionette prelude, it's one of her best interludes EVER. And it gives lots of emphasis to the main song, which is like the climax of the album (IMO). GUILTY had such great interludes XD reBiRTH was the only boring one ne. And it's still not that bad, I like how the melody sounds happy and hopeful in the beggining, than it distorts a bit and starts sounding dark-ish and almost creepy-ish, and in the end goes back to hopeful. It does feel a bit like a rebirth haha.
Wa, I love this album<3

[MissElin_]

Originally Posted by apple-pi

If she makes a lighter album, I'd rather have a LOVEppears-like album - fun songs, but meaningful lyrics. (m)u feels to me like it was too americanized for Ayu and the lyrics are overall quite weak, meh. MY STORY I consider a rock album, so not much of a change o_______O

But really, a lot of bad stuff was happening to Ayu lately, so that's probably what influenced her into making a dark album. This time around she seems to be feeling better, so the next one will probably be more balanced, I think. It still will probably sell less than GUILTY though, IMO... I feel like it's very hard to get your album sales up after you're already past your peak... isn't it? First they go up and up, then down and down, that's what's normal... I think. I'm happy enough that the drop from Secret and GUILTY was small~

BTW I don't understand what people have against the Marionette prelude, it's one of her best interludes EVER. And it gives lots of emphasis to the main song, which is like the climax of the album (IMO). GUILTY had such great interludes XD reBiRTH was the only boring one ne. And it's still not that bad, I like how the melody sounds happy and hopeful in the beggining, than it distorts a bit and starts sounding dark-ish and almost creepy-ish, and in the end goes back to hopeful. It does feel a bit like a rebirth haha.
Wa, I love this album<3

Im totaly with you about the preludes. Marionette preelude is very diffrent, like WONDERLAND. Not like the ordinary preeludes Ayu uses. And The Judgment Day was so great that it would have been a full song! (Same for Mirror but yeah we got MW so. ^^)

But the whole dark vs light album thingy is simply a diskussion about taste. Its hard to say whats btter for Ayu to compose or not. I love her "darker" music. Its excellent. But yeah, I think MY STORY ahd a veeery good balanse. It had some rock(GAME, About You), some heartbreaking ballads (HAPPY ENDING, Winding road), some up-beat-songs(INSPIRE, mnW) and some cute girlish songs(HONEY, replace). Also MY STORY was one of those albums that probably discribed Ayus life and toughts for that year the best. (IMO)

[apple-pi]

Yep, I love WONDERLAND sooo much as well. And that's another one people seem to dislike, isn't it weird? o____O Well, with WONDERLAND at least, what I hear people say is that they don't like it because "it's creepy", which I guess makes sense, if you don't like creepy things XD (which I do) But with Marionette -prelude-, most people I see complaining about it say it's boring, and that's something I find very very bizarre hahaha.

And now that you mention it, yeah, MY STORY was quite balanced. And it's good how it managed it balance all the different things without sounding messy and "pointless", it has a good flow... mm. But the albums I can see Ayu's thoughts the most are the 3 first, maybe because from I am... onwards she started minding the listener more ("I didn't have the mental space to think of the listener..." and all that lol) I get a feeling that she starting trying to "translate" her lyrics to make them understandable for everyone, where her first writings were more "raw". But maybe that's just me, haha XD

Anyway, MW was a good start for the year, I've even seen some people who are not usually Ayu fans impressed by it, and that's always a good thing XD If she keeps this quality up, I'll really be looking forward to the next album. And if she keeps these SALES up (since MW is doing great right now) who knows what we can expect haha XD (though I still hope MW won't be included on the next album! XD)

[MissElin_]

Originally Posted by apple-pi

Yep, I love WONDERLAND sooo much as well. And that's another one people seem to dislike, isn't it weird? o____O Well, with WONDERLAND at least, what I hear people say is that they don't like it because "it's creepy", which I guess makes sense, if you don't like creepy things XD (which I do) But with Marionette -prelude-, most people I see complaining about it say it's boring, and that's something I find very very bizarre hahaha.

And now that you mention it, yeah, MY STORY was quite balanced. And it's good how it managed it balance all the different things without sounding messy and "pointless", it has a good flow... mm. But the albums I can see Ayu's thoughts the most are the 3 first, maybe because from I am... onwards she started minding the listener more ("I didn't have the mental space to think of the listener..." and all that lol) I get a feeling that she starting trying to "translate" her lyrics to make them understandable for everyone, where her first writings were more "raw". But maybe that's just me, haha XD

Anyway, MW was a good start for the year, I've even seen some people who are not usually Ayu fans impressed by it, and that's always a good thing XD If she keeps this quality up, I'll really be looking forward to the next album. And if she keeps these SALES up (since MW is doing great right now) who knows what we can expect haha XD (though I still hope MW won't be included on the next album! XD)

I dont care about the sales really. I think it kind of messes up the whole meaning of the music if it gets to hyped. But this MW sales hav been very nice to see, MW reaaaally deserved it. Cuz, like you said, MW is an excellent track and if the following singles will keep this quality we have a great album comming up. ^^

[apple-pi]

Aww, I care about sales. I want good music to be recognized. It pisses me off when an artist releases a bunch of great albums that sell like crap, and then a crap album that sells great. And I'm always really really happy when an artist releases lame music and doesn't sell, and when they come up with something awesome, people start buying<3 Or like, when these really unknown underrated artists who make great music suddenly get recognized and become famous<3 Hahaha... and since I'm so used to Ayu's current status in the music industry, it's hard to think that one day she just won't be as famous anymore. But of course, sales are just a detail in the end ^^

[4ever*ayu]

^yup..great view about how the sales is GREAT !!

[apple-pi]

^Well, it's impossible for both A BEST 2 albums to be #1, so I don't think anyone was bothered at all. Lol XD
I think I'm not that bothered by GUILTY not reaching #1 anymore. I mean... the sales are good, it's not like the album was badly received, and it's not like Ayu suddenly lost a bunch of popularity, it was totally random. Bad luck. She lost her album streak, but oh well... life goes on XD So yeah, I think I've accepted it already.
Oh, but I have to agree T2M wasn't really a hit... they are good sales, but very "average" for Ayu's case. Like *Petit* said, Ayu has a strong fanbase, and they'll probably buy anything she releases, except maybe in case it totally sucks. I think you have to take the rest of the potential buyers in account when saying whether it was a hit or not. For some unknown artists, selling 50k means a lot, but I don't think that applies in this case...

[ayumisrael]

Well ayu-mi-x 6 GOLD & SILVER sold 36,000 and 34,000 cut some thousands and those are the hardcore fans who will buy anything =P
t2m sold 110,000, it did average but still not bad for its state.