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Old 27th October 2008, 01:02 PM
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I would never EVER say that she is a perfectionist about her voice, because then she would never have gone on tour in 2000.
omg the A Song for XX in that concert was so horrible... >_< actually, her whole voice. ahaha.

I just really don't get the point of her lip syncing.
We have all heard her at her worst moments..
And it doesn't fool anyone if she has a super good vocal for one song, then back to her normal singing the other rest of concert.

I'm not looking at it as "omg how unpure."
I'm saying.. there is just no point because, I mean take for example dearest.
That's a song I WISHED she lipsynced...
But she didn't.

If she is lipsyncing Marionette, she needs to find a new recording.
I thought Marionette vocals really sucked big time. -_-);
People keep saying "She sounds the same all the time for this this and this song."
Do you WANT her to sound different? I'm not sure...
But the songs from Guilty are not that hard to sing, especially Marionette.
So I think it's pretty easy for her to sound the same everytime she sings it.

don't leave me alone, whatever. I don't like that song, so she can lipsync it forever~ ahaha
I think she recorded herself so she can be on the spinny thingi, and have a good time?

I think at least she should update her lipsyncing tracks.
She sings better now than the beginning of her tour.

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Except for Dearest. T_T)

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Old 27th October 2008, 03:47 PM
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Excuse me, but may I know what exactly is "lip-synching"? Do you mean, not singing live at all, and playing the song through the CD to the whole venue? If it's so, then I really don't think Marionette and the other 'suspected' songs sounded like that in the CD.

If it's some other meaning, then please tell it to me. Because I can't see why she's going to lip-synch if the so-called recordings she used are obviously not what is on the album/CD.
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Old 27th October 2008, 04:49 PM
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seems that...now whenever Ayu sings not bad..some people will doubt...so it's an inevitable suitation..
so there's really no point going on since there WILL be people saying she lipped and those that think she didnt...
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Old 27th October 2008, 04:56 PM
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Old 27th October 2008, 04:59 PM
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I think, if she has found a way of singing live that she's comfortable with, then she would usually stick around that style of singing (barring Depend on you in AT 08, but again this is not a song she usually performs), right? I don't dare, or rather I have no evidence to prove against that (don't) Leave me alone and all that were not lip-synched.

But my name's WOMEN. She performed that in AT 05, and then, she sang the same note as the CD version. But in AT 08, she lowered her pitch. I just don't understand she would lip-synch a song that's OBVIOUSLY different from the CD version. And if she's going to prepare a "live" version to be lip-synched... she's still singing live after all. So what's the point of even lip-synching to a prepared "live" version? I really don't get it.
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Old 27th October 2008, 05:03 PM
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^coz in case any thing goes wrong...she goes breathless...at least that track is still playing...
thats why i think she IS singing but with another Ayu voice track behind

how can she sing EXACTLY the same? O.o
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Old 27th October 2008, 05:30 PM
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^coz in case any thing goes wrong...she goes breathless...at least that track is still playing...
thats why i think she IS singing but with another Ayu voice track behind

how can she sing EXACTLY the same? O.o
So that would be having a backing track, and not lip-synching! Hahah
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how can she sing EXACTLY the same? O.o
Umm...

Because she is a singer, perhaps?

You want her to sing the same song differently to her every concert? Lol.


I don't get it. Why are some of you so picky in trying to figure out if she is lip-syncing or not? I don't mean to be rude (I'm sorry if I am), but can't you guys just enjoy the show?
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Old 27th October 2008, 05:13 PM
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i went to her Shanghai concert!!
and she did great!!
i don't care if she lipsynch or not.. since she looked so stunning to me...
specially during Marionette and Mirrorcle World, both are my favorite tracks on this ASIA TOUR 2008!
because Ayu did a great Marionette dance moves...totally looked like an Ayu Doll!! just awesome!!! i really enjoy the show!!

and i hate the way of her singing Depend on you..goshhhhh what's wrong with her voice..
She "cuted" her voice.. goshhh.... i've never heard a very weird "cute" voice from her before...
she did great when singing HONEY at AT05 with the cute voice.. but not in this year's Depend on you..totally sounded so weird!!!!

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Old 27th October 2008, 05:59 PM
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i went to her Shanghai concert!!
and she did great!!
i don't care if she lipsynch or not.. since she looked so stunning to me...
specially during Marionette and Mirrorcle World, both are my favorite tracks on this ASIA TOUR 2008!
because Ayu did a great Marionette dance moves...totally looked like an Ayu Doll!! just awesome!!! i really enjoy the show!!

and i hate the way of her singing Depend on you..goshhhhh what's wrong with her voice..
She "cuted" her voice.. goshhh.... i've never heard a very weird "cute" voice from her before...
she did great when singing HONEY at AT05 with the cute voice.. but not in this year's Depend on you..totally sounded so weird!!!!
Wow sounds great! How was hanabi then??
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Old 27th October 2008, 06:07 PM
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Wow sounds great! How was hanabi then??
Hanabi is great as well.. really love the opening video for this performance...
the way of Ayu acting on the video goshh she looks purely like a Goddess..
when she acted crying.. i felt like wanted to cry as well...she's so beautiful on that video..

she wore different outfit... not the mermaid type one...
she looked gorgeous of course... she sang Hanabi pretty good...
but not with End Roll... i don't know why i don't really like the way of her singing End Roll.. when she tried to hit the high note...i think she failed to hit that's why it sounded not really great..

but the worst is Depend on you.. like i said on my previous post..

other than that.. i just love everything..
the stage is very awesome!!! no more words to describe..
we were so surprise when suddenly all the curtains opened up.. in what song i don't remember..i think during SURREAL~evolution~SURREAL
so the stage looked like changing 3 times~ just so great!!

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and i hate the way of her singing Depend on you..goshhhhh what's wrong with her voice..
She "cuted" her voice.. goshhh.... i've never heard a very weird "cute" voice from her before...
she did great when singing HONEY at AT05 with the cute voice.. but not in this year's Depend on you..totally sounded so weird!!!!
I saw the clip for depend on you...and I don't like the way she sang that song...her 'cute' voice sounded weird...hopefully they'll make it better for the dvd.
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Old 27th October 2008, 05:34 PM
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^well yea...but its just my take anyway...
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Old 27th October 2008, 05:35 PM
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^ It's just kind of frustrating to see people saying stuff like "she's lip-synching!"... I mean okay, so apparently she's just having a backing track so I don't see what the big fuss is all about.
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YAAA i thought so too!

but i always thought the wierd depend on you voice was because of the LQ
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There's a difference between 102% the same and "the same". ^^ Songs that are live sound "the same". Just compare any number of TV performances of a song right next to each other. Songs that are lip synched sound 102% the same. Just look at Mirrorcle World. It sounds never 102% the same, and she's done it a bazillion times already.

BTW I'm wondering, Sunshine, are you sure AT06 Ladies Night wasn't lip synched?

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Old 27th October 2008, 10:25 PM
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Sure, they don't sound identical, but they're pretty darn close. For every person who said [song] sounded the same in different performances, you have someone else who said it didn't. I guess it depends on if you have enough confidence in other people to always believe that they can pick up on the small differences. Therefore, some people will call it "identical" when they're actually "almost identical", and suddenly everyone believes Ayu is lip-synching 2/3 of the concert because of a few people.

BTW, I'm not saying Ayu never lip-synchs. Personally, I believe she's just accused of it more often than she actually does (or at least more often than can be proven beyond reasonable doubt).
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Old 27th October 2008, 10:40 PM
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Sure, they don't sound identical, but they're pretty darn close. For every person who said [song] sounded the same in different performances, you have someone else who said it didn't.
But we are referring to videos here, not on people opinions.

btw, I finally found my disc with the TV broadcast of CDL 05/06. Since it seems a lot of the people here haven't seen what happened with theme of a-nation 03, I can upload it if you want.
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Old 28th October 2008, 08:38 AM
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But we are referring to videos here, not on people opinions.

btw, I finally found my disc with the TV broadcast of CDL 05/06. Since it seems a lot of the people here haven't seen what happened with theme of a-nation 03, I can upload it if you want.
Please upload it)))) Could you please upload WHOLE TV version of the concert)))))

well, as for me we can't accuse her now because we don't havefull HQ video, no one wasn't at both concerts and even if was we can't see them together to compare. This would be like "yeah! she sung that way!! so it's sounds like idenical to what i've heard a mounth ago on HK show so LYP SYNCH!!!"
Well as for me videos from japnese leg of Marionette sounds different. Maybe because of MQ professional rip.


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Yeah, I mean, I'm not really directing my comments at you but there just seems to be so many people in general that deny that she would ever lip synch. At least you admit that she sometimes does. Also, aside from the videos, I've always thought from day 1 that the choreography in Marionette is just too jerky to be able to sing through smoothly.
well, of course she does! especially some TVperfomances(not HEY!x3 or Music Station, i'm talking about thousands of small shows where she appeared to promete her stuff, but well, not on big and popular channels, maybe CDTV sometimes also was lypsynch as for me really)

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Please upload it)))) Could you please upload WHOLE TV version of the concert)))))
Sorry, it would take forever to upload the entire thing and I don't have the time, but I did cut out the part of the Theme of A-Nation performance and uploaded it.

I remember when I first watched this concert on tv, I didn't notice this until someone on the forum pointed it out. I also was totally an Ayu apologist at that time and me along with several other people still tried to deny that she would lip synch this. But really, no one could ever come up with a good argument that this was not lip synched. It was a sad day for Ayu fans everywhere, because there was absolutely no reason to lip synch this song at all and the even scarier part being that if she hadn't made the mistake, probabally no one could tell she was lip synching.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N6WX1LNZ

She is supposed to sing part of the first verse:
Toorinuketa kaze ga nandaka yasashisugite
koraekirezu namida ga hoo o tsutatte iru

But it seems she gets confused and mouths part of the second verse:
Toorinuketa kaze ga nandaka yasashikatta
Ashita no imagoro mo anata o aishite iru

The "ashita" is especially clear; no way she is saying "korae" there. She quickly realizes her mistake and switches back to the first verse. But unfortunately for Ayu this was live and the tv cameras were right on her face at this moment; as was pointed out earlier, they cut this in the DVD release.

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well, of course she does! especially some TVperfomances(not HEY!x3 or Music Station, i'm talking about thousands of small shows where she appeared to promete her stuff, but well, not on big and popular channels, maybe CDTV sometimes also was lypsynch as for me really)
I collect Ayu's tv performances and actually she has never lip synched on a tv show as far as I can tell. (that's generally a pretty big no no on most shows in Japan) The only really questionable one was a performance of Seasons on a show called Music Museum where it sounds exactly like the CD, but some people have said that the video is like that because someone replaced the original audio of the video with the cd track, so it's hard to say.

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Ah, okay. :3 Lol Namie, that's awesome. Why don't you go look for her? XD
haha, I keep an eye out everytime!

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