Ayu Twitter/Weibo Discussion #31

[AyUmIXx]

so it's been all clear now. i knew it, leslie was kind of fishy when he did the same thing with mannie before, but i probably forgot, after the thing with mannie, ayu still worked with leslie right?

[TeamAyu2004]

YAY!! maybe this will mean she will drop his sorry ass.
Loved what he use to do back in the early days of ayumi, but all this new stuff.
crap.

[truehappiness]

If it means anything, Ayu did really remove them from her Facebook or at the very least blocked them temporarily. She's still got ND though.

[pommy48]

Haha, Leslie totally overestimated how much ayu liked him

Seriously...I wonder if he leaked SUPER MANNIE for his own benefit, or else no one would he shot Ayumi Hamasaki's husband

[BlackSilence]

^interesting tho that some stuff NEVER leaks (aka some weding photos of celebrities) because they were done by friends and for only few pairs of eyes, not the whole nation/world to see.

Originally Posted by pommy48

Haha, Leslie totally overestimated how much ayu liked him

Seriously...I wonder if he leaked SUPER MANNIE for his own benefit, or else no one would he shot Ayumi Hamasaki's husband

i always got this feeling of her being very polite with him while he was literally kissing her ass lol she probably just tried to be kind of professional on the personal, more friendly level. i mean it's not like she had much of a choice if it wasn't for her own stuff.

as for the title i thought it was rather strange ....

and honestly the only thing that was good from his recent works with Ayu was FIVE photobook and MAYBE that WWD shot..

[douggn]

Nothing has been reported on ayu paying his bail but his first words after being released was

Hamasaki Ayumi is my friend forever

[waterballoon]

oh my God. DRAMMMMMAAAAAAA

Leslie is a low douchebag... a shameless narcissistic wanker!!! God now wonder why Ayu was so pissed off. I don't get how this is being a "friend" at all.

Let's all hear the truth:

His career has been on a downhill since his photography skills have been stagnant (seriously was he on crack when he shot the RAINBOW cover cos none of his recent photos were that good) and he needs to borrow (WHORE OUT) the "ayumi hamasaki" brand name to bring some recognition to him.

Low, low, low.

[happiholic★]

I dunno. While I guess it seems like its all Leslie's "fault" I honestly can't feel bad for Ayu. To me, her first post seemed like she was mad at her dancers, and then the second post was after she learned that they were tricked. But, after Super Mannie, how were her dancers fooled? In fact, why wasn't Leslie dropped after that incident? If she was truly the one who bailed him outta jail, then she clearly had no ill feelings after that incident. Mannie got his ass kicked to the curb, Leslie gets a free pass. Mind you, Ayu did give her official reason for divorce as being a hurricane.

I dunno. I think its fishy. Then again, I haven't trusted or felt pity for Ayu in a long time. She's been... "off" to me for a while. Perhaps I have a personal bias.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

I dunno. While I guess it seems like its all Leslie's "fault" I honestly can't feel bad for Ayu. To me, her first post seemed like she was mad at her dancers, and then the second post was after she learned that they were tricked. But, after Super Mannie, how were her dancers fooled? In fact, why wasn't Leslie dropped after that incident? If she was truly the one who bailed him outta jail, then she clearly had no ill feelings after that incident. Mannie got his ass kicked to the curb, Leslie gets a free pass. Mind you, Ayu did give her official reason for divorce as being a hurricane.

I dunno. I think its fishy. Then again, I haven't trusted or felt pity for Ayu in a long time. She's been... "off" to me for a while. Perhaps I have a personal bias.

Probably.

I think she probably gave him the benefit of the doubt at that time with Super Mannie, whereas now, she's pretty much avoiding anything to do with Ryan and Leslie for the time being.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Probably.

I think she probably gave him the benefit of the doubt at that time with Super Mannie, whereas now, she's pretty much avoiding anything to do with Ryan and Leslie for the time being.

Hm, perhaps I shouldn't have included that comment about personal bias, as all members here do, to some extent. Yourself included. In fact, if I were to be brutally honest, I feel like you are the first to jump to Ayu's defense. I'm not surprised you were the one to bold that. Not picking a fight, just saying.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

Hm, perhaps I shouldn't have included that comment about personal bias, as all members here do, to some extent. Yourself included. In fact, if I were to be brutally honest, I feel like you are the first to jump to Ayu's defense. I'm not surprised you were the one to bold that. Not picking a fight, just saying.

I am, but I don't really mind if it's ever brought up so no hard feelings. It's not worth it to fight about things like this anyway. I'm pretty much disconnected from the rest of the fandom, I feel, especially lately.

[khan5]

does anyone have the link to the new video containing ayus new song

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I am, but I don't really mind if it's ever brought up so no hard feelings. It's not worth it to fight about things like this anyway. I'm pretty much disconnected from the rest of the fandom, I feel, especially lately.

I feel the same way about the fandom, but I assume we are disconnected for different reasons.

Sorry if I sounded rude, but I didn't want you, or anyone, to disregard my entire statement over a phrase I threw in at the end to try and soften what may have sounded like a cruel post.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

The new song sounds much better in the new video!!

[Neko★munication]

On the topic of Super Mannie: I don't think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Ayu ever said it was the definitive, unique reason for the divorce. She did say it contributed to it, but I think that was one of many things - and as skeptical as people are about the whole earthquake being a factor in it, I also think that's a factor. My point being that it was one of many, so to compare the situations isn't entirely fair.

Either way, I think the 'gift' was kind of in poor taste, haha. Whether it was Leslie's or her troupe's idea, it just seems like a weird choice when it's public knowledge that Ayu didn't react well the last time she was handed a book of her loved ones in the nude.

[sugarbasil]

Originally Posted by Neko★munication

Either way, I think the 'gift' was kind of in poor taste, haha. Whether it was Leslie's or her troupe's idea, it just seems like a weird choice when it's public knowledge that Ayu didn't react well the last time she was handed a book of her loved ones in the nude.

This is what gets me the most. Of all the things her team could have done or gotten for her, they chose this. Blows my mind.

And this is such a stereotypical American thing to say, but I kind of hope Avex sues his ass. I don't know how the laws are in Japan, but here, Leslie's ass would get handed to him in court.

Seriously, what an ass, though.

Ass.

[pimenta]

I think the Super Manuel was a different situation. Leslie probably proposed the photobook to him, but Mannie did think it was a great idea. Ayu didn't like it, but Mannie still thought it was nice, so the true problem was that Ayu realized that the two of them were too different mided. She probably didn't blame Leslie then because she knows what kind of photoshoots he does, but for her the problem was Mannie actually wanting to do that as a gift for her and thinking that was a great idea (and I don't think that she now still blames Mannie for that either, I think it just made her realize that they didn't match as a couple because they had really different opinions).

Now, though, the problem was Leslie lying the dancers and putting them in a very bad position. Mannie loved the photobook idea back then, so there was no reason for her to be mad at Leslie because Mannie thought it was great and wanted to do that. The dancers on the other hand got sad and depressed by it because they never agreed to that, which leads to Ayu feeling angry towards Leslie because she cares for her dancers and don't want to see them sad ar betrayed, I think that's the main difference... My thoughts of course, I know nothing about what actually happened.

[truehappiness]

Not feeling bad for Ayu and so on due to the reasons stated, if that wasn't clear.

[tasking]

Regardless of who thought the Super Mannie book was a good idea or wasn't, you have to wonder if Leslie was lying about that too. I mean, did he tell Mannie it was going to be private, for Ayu's eyes only like he told the dancers and then go back on his word then also? If so, I bet it was pretty easy for Leslie to convince Ayu otherwise and paint Mannie as the douchebag. I mean, that's what most of us thought, right? He didn't tweet the inside of Mannie's book or make a video, but later we did find it being sold. That's a pretty damn big issue, if you ask me. Ayu must be going crazy right now.

[pimenta]

^ Oh, I hadn't realized that (I didn't pay attention to the tittle of the photobook)... If that's the case, than it gets even worse

Originally Posted by tasking

Regardless of who thought the Super Mannie book was a good idea or wasn't, you have to wonder if Leslie was lying about that too. I mean, did he tell Mannie it was going to be private, for Ayu's eyes only like he told the dancers and then go back on his word then also? If so, I bet it was pretty easy for Leslie to convince Ayu otherwise and paint Mannie as the douchebag. I mean, that's what most of us thought, right? He didn't tweet the inside of Mannie's book or make a video, but later we did find it being sold. That's a pretty damn big issue, if you ask me. Ayu must be going crazy right now.

But since the first time they mentioned Mannie's photobook they already stated it was going to be for sale... I don't know what actually was happening, but I feel like Mannie always knew it was going to be for sale (and I actually feel like he wanted to be that way, he's a model and he needs publicity to keep his job going, even if it was a gift for Ayu). Besides, I'm sure Mannie and Ayu did talk about that issue, so if he was deceived by Leslie he would probably have told Ayu and I don't know why she wouldn't believe in him if that was the case...
But, oh well, what do I know? You could be totally right, and if that's the case then this whole Leslie issue is even worse then it seems, because he would be deceiving Ayu for much longer. But I still think that Mannie wanted his photobook to be like that though (but of course he also didn't want it to ruin his marriage I believe).
I agree with you, though, that Ayu must be going crazy right now about this whole issue. I wonder if she's thinking about the Mannie photobook and associating with this new happenings or not...