[Blog] Ayu announces separation from Tyson

[EndOfTheWorld]

Originally Posted by Lady Dynamitez

EndOfTheWorld, I don't... quite think you understood what people are talking about here... The failed relationship isn't the anti-feminist/feminist issue, nor has anyone claimed it to be, I fail to see how you could understand it that way. I recommend you read through people's points again!

Pointing out sexism and problems in society that harms women is in no way making women "helpless victims", it's pointing out the issues we're trying to fix and make better, improve? So the opposite of helplessness, as I see it. Just sounds like a strawman from a person who doesn't understand the concept.


Yes... it does? Huh? I don't get your argument. Misogyny is dislike, hatred of women, discrimination and prejudice against women, how does that change because it's "different culture"? When I look up the definition of word "Misogynist/misogyny" it doesn't seem to exclude Japanese culture. Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm preeeeeetty certain I'm not!
Do we have to accept discrimination and unfair treatment of women because it's "part of their culture"? You say you support equality for all people, but it has been and still is part of every culture? You say Japanese culture is not perfect and needs more equality but then argue against those who point out the unjust and inequality?
I really, really do not get your argument, sorry.

Someone pointed out how sexist media is against her, pointing out how she's put down because she's a woman (as it's been agreed that women indeed are treated far worse/harsher than men are), wording as if her divorcing her husband is a crime she's committing, so now we're... using her for something? If you see something unjust happening to someone and you point it out or/and try to fix it/change it, you're only using the target to "promote your agenda"? Really now...

???

It's probably difficult to notice, but about everything is a societal issue. More or less. She's a celebrity, and that doesn't exclude the part where she's a woman, a human being, and those societal issues affect her just as much as anyone else.

What I am saying is, all that happened was Ayu announced a separation from her husband. Which then became feminism? It was brought up that because she will be treated harsher being a woman in Japan, that Japan is misogynist. As if because society is different in Japan, they are misogynist. Different does not equal misogyny is what I am saying. Every place on Earth has it's different standards for genders. Not saying that is good or that I support that, it is just fact. Japan should ease up on female celebrities yes. They should be equal to men.

The helpless victim comes from the way that it is being pointed out. Like Ayu will be so damaged from the anti feminism of SOME people. The other issue is that I am sure not everyone in Japan is like that which is why I stated, your problem is with the media and the general culture. So if you want to fight for women's rights, go to Japan and do some work. Posting it here will not change the world. Especially since 99% of the people here support Ayu because they are a fan and care for her. I am not against the people who are pointing this all out. I was just saying that they were getting carried away by the news.

It is using her because she should be kindly supported from afar, not turned into something it isn't. That is what the media does. It is using her, because this thread was about the news of her separation but then users turn it into a women's rights thread to promote their views.

Yes, anything that happens in society can be a societal issue. But only if people make it that. All she did was split from her husband. That is her private life. The backlash is society. Take it up with them.
I find your post to be very rude and arrogant. I can admit that my post may not have been formed the best and that my opinion was not conveyed crystal clear. It is complicated and hard to sum up in a small post on an Ayumi Hamasaki forum.

Perhaps people would like to make a thread about the treatment of women in Japan? But it is not necessary here, in this thread.

[jean-baptiste]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

Didn't you just prove his point? All of the artists you mention above that were thrown under the bus are women. For a more recent example of how the media in Japan crucifies women over a scandal vs. how easily they let men off the hook, please google the Elon/Becky scandal and educate yo'self.



Do enlighten me; aside from the fact that they're white men what exactly strikes you as similar between an Austrian model-slash-actor and an American medical student? We really don't know jack shit about either of them or their backgrounds so that's a pretty baseless statement to make.



And let's not pretend that Japanese society is a model of social equality when it comes to men and women because it's not, though for reasons unknown you're going out of your way to make it sound like it is.

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Japanese culture is misogynist. Actually every culture is. And that you as a man want to decide that it's appropriate to say all these things about women who got divorced or otherwise "stepped out of line" seems quite selfish to me and as if you're also quite satiesfied with the status quo.
You managed to name a handful of female celebrities who got thrown under the bus but not a single male one and you still think it has nothing to do with the fact that those celebrities are female?

Preach, ya'll.

[EndOfTheWorld]

Why don't we try to look at it this way.

We all love Ayu, yes? We all want to see her happy and look out for her, yes? And we all support that Ayu and all women around the world deserve to be treated with respect and equality, yes?

There is no reason to argue about it here. We all want the same thing. Aren't we all friends and fellow fans of Ayu?

These things shouldn't have been brought up in the first place. They really are a violation of the rules of this forum. I know I am also guilty of contributing to this topic and contributing to the negative energy in this thread, so I must admit I was wrong as well. If people want to keep arguing then that is fine but I am not participating.

[Aderianu]

[xLuna&1LOVE]

^ is it bad what they are saying?

[kendelle]

Originally Posted by orbitalaspect

MRW you mention avex protecting Ayu's image, but they don't protect her image by doing promo for her albums or tours...

Hey I never said they were effective or even good at it! lmfaooo



....... lol

Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE

^ is it bad what they are saying?

I'm nowhere near fluent but I believe they mentioned it seemed it was a surprise due to how private the relationship had been and wondered why it happened. They talked a bit about the age difference (and laughed a bit).

I'm really unsure of the next bit...but I think I'm hearing them talking about Ayu's work, maybe implying that it's due to her work? I think they ended with a joke about her with the older lady but they're too fast and their accents lost me haha hopefully someone fluent can give us a better idea

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE

^ is it bad what they are saying?

Pretty much. I only had time to listen to the first few minutes. But it mentions how this is her second divorce to a foreigner. Talks about Manny a bit. Compares her to Matsuda Seiko. Then the commentators generally kind of agree that it seemed like it would end in divorce from the start. They never heard anything good like they get along well or have a good relationship, etc. And that actually it was surprising how long they stayed together to begin with. Then the old lady talks about her own relationship with a foreigner and how he left her suddenly and that's just the way foreigners are. :eyeroll It's a lot of crap but that stuff is all pretty common in Japan.

[Yoake]

It would be good to stop the debate about feminism/misogyny. AHS isn't a place to discuss about such sensitive subjects. Don't forget to talk in a civilized, courteous, and constructive manner too.

[oaristos]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Pretty much. I only had time to listen to the first few minutes. But it mentions how this is her second divorce to a foreigner. Talks about Manny a bit. Compares her to Matsuda Seiko. Then the commentators generally kind of agree that it seemed like it would end in divorce from the start. They never heard anything good like they get along well or have a good relationship, etc. And that actually it was surprising how long they stayed together to begin with. Then the old lady talks about her own relationship with a foreigner and how he left her suddenly and that's just the way foreigners are. :eyeroll It's a lot of crap but that stuff is all pretty common in Japan.

Thank you for the explanation! It's so awful when someone says that a couple was "doomed from the start," especially if they say that on national TV.

[Bad Wolf]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

Agreed. Ayu tried that already and it didn't work out for her, and given that Tyson was a medical student...if he wants to be an MD, staying in the states would really be the only option for him. Just to get his language skills to the point where they'd need to be to obtain a medical license in Japan would take ages.

I'm not married but my boyfriend and I are essentially doing a lite version of a long distance relationship (we see each other once every 7-10 days) and that's hard enough. I can't imagine the strain they must have been under trying to make it work with an ocean between them. I hope they're both getting the support they need to help them through this period of difficulty.

Yes, this is how I feel about it, too. They both had their goals and things to focus on (being a med student is nothing to sneeze at!), and unfortunately that divide between your personal life and your professional goals can catch up with people after a few years. Adding a long distance relationship into the mix only complicates it even more.

I do hope they're both doing all right. Nothing wrong with agreeing to a divorce if they both realize it can't work out.

(Also, I agree with everything Lady Dynamitez said. Oop.)

[Kuronekomi]

Originally Posted by Sandy

Please let that someone be Gackt. I've been shipping them since I saw them do that duet on TV like a decade ago

time to get Gackt out of the friendzone Ayu!
they are just perfect together, not sure about their ego together though

[Aderianu]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

They never heard anything good like they get along well or have a good relationship, etc.

I wonder what good they may hear?..
Ayu never wrote "Today I had dinner with my husband and I'm happy" or what...

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Yeah, it's just pretty stupid. The reason they didn't hear anything about the relationship is because they were primarily living outside of Japan, duh.

[//ABEST]

and they kept it PRIVATE this time!

[susiowong]

Not even surprising tbh.

[Yannetakizawa]

Originally Posted by Aderianu

Ayu never wrote "Today I had dinner with my husband and I'm happy" or what...

is this necessary? It is the private life of Ayu, no?
I would like to know if Koda Kumi writes about her private life with kenji ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[//ABEST]

Ty is so hot

[chocopockymaster]

Aww those pics ; ~ ;

[oaristos]

Originally Posted by //ABEST

Ty is so hot

He REALLY is

[ayu_ready?]

I'm really sad for Ayu. but it was really predictable.
she needs someone who works as much as her to understand her lifestyle, probably.
and some person who is understanding and has a lot of commitment.

it's really hard to find real love tho, no matter what age you are.

the public's gonna tear her apart.