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Old 19th August 2008, 09:52 AM
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I see alot of people mention Namies voice to be better, because she can dance too? So that makes her voice better? Put the dancing and scene performance at side, and think about voice only, then namies is still good, but not the best.
And also, just because someone can't really dance, should not judge their voice on it, I never see Utada dance, but then again, her style and personality is not so dance-y, and if she started to dance it would look silly. So it's better that she doesnt. It all depends on the artists and his/her style and image really.
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Old 19th August 2008, 01:22 PM
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^thats really true, i wanna see how the other artist do that

and i cant deny kuu has the same stamina like her too
yeah. that's true..
I forgot to mention Nami Tamaki

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i think the artist who can sing the best while dancing is nami tamaki. her dance routines are so much more difficult and complex compared to BoA or namie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W5oHYhdecQ (live)
PVs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVY3HQX7fbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dPXKYte0J4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA-A2...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGspoUCJals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCAt22tkTNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2_fj...eature=related

now, nami isn't the best singer either, but her dancing is amazing. if only she'd do that now.
I should i agree with you after whatching these videos. I didnt realize it because I never saw her performance before
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Old 19th August 2008, 01:50 PM
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Namie doesn't sound that great while dancing, BoA does sound way better when it comes to that. Singers like ayaka and Hitomi Shimatani (and BoA, Otsuka Ai) are way better than Utada (live) is and rarely or never go off note.
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Old 19th August 2008, 02:09 PM
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Namie doesn't sound that great while dancing, BoA does sound way better when it comes to that. Singers like ayaka and Hitomi Shimatani (and BoA, Otsuka Ai) are way better than Utada (live) is and rarely or never go off note.
hmm I think BoA is great while dancing and singing but you could hear breath's sound clearly..
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Old 19th August 2008, 03:28 PM
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well, hitomi could sing very well even she keep jumping and running for the whole concert, is she consider as a good singer?
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Old 19th August 2008, 09:14 PM
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hmm I think BoA is great while dancing and singing but you could hear breath's sound clearly..
Actually that's my problem with Utada Hikaru's voice - it's really breathy. Even the studio versions of her songs the big gulps of breaths are really visible especially for her slower songs..
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Old 20th August 2008, 03:55 AM
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^She really wasn't breathy until Heart Station. Hikki had great voice control during her first four albums (well 5, if u include Exodus). Her lives were excellent as well especially Hikaru no 5. You guys should watch her covers of other artists songs like A-ha's Take Me On and Green Day's Boulavard of Broken Dreams (OMG! Talk about excellent vocal control. ). I guess after UU06, her vocal cords were really damaged. I read from another Hikki fan that she was suggested to get a surgery on it but she refused.
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Old 20th August 2008, 04:00 AM
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^yeah i had heard UU06 too, and sometime she like to drag all the note together in ballads... be my last is actually a good song, but the dragging notes in the "ah~ah" part is @_@ make me uneasy
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Old 20th August 2008, 05:13 PM
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^She really wasn't breathy until Heart Station. Hikki had great voice control during her first four albums (well 5, if u include Exodus). Her lives were excellent as well especially Hikaru no 5. You guys should watch her covers of other artists songs like A-ha's Take Me On and Green Day's Boulavard of Broken Dreams (OMG! Talk about excellent vocal control. ). I guess after UU06, her vocal cords were really damaged. I read from another Hikki fan that she was suggested to get a surgery on it but she refused.
I think her voice control was pretty good in her first three albums. In Dareka is when it kind of started IMO.
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Old 21st August 2008, 03:09 AM
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I think her voice control was pretty good in her first three albums. In Dareka is when it kind of started IMO.
Agreed. I think there were some very...interestingly-vocalized songs on ULTRA BLUE. Especially when I heard a bunch of her Be My Last lives, I can't say I was all that impressed. That being said, she is a very talented vocalist, but I do think her vocal ability has sort of gone down after years of strain on her vocal chords.

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That's exactly what I meant when I said that hikki's voice is flat!
As I wrote in my post, hikki is really good technical singer, but when it comes to emotion (specially with figurative and not simple lyrics she writes) I can hardly feel it from her excluding some songs/performances where it's really emotional (like FINAL DISTANCE) but most of the time her voice is just flat, smooth, normal which makes other artists vocals be better but I still could enjoy UTADA UNITED 2006 because all of the other things were awesome!
Being flat is considered technically incorrect though. My brother is majoring in Vocal Performance, so I hear this more than enough. Hikki does strain quite a bit when she sings, moreso in recent times, and that's horrible for her voice. I don't think lack of emotion is the problem. I think it's probably the opposite. She's straining her vocal chords singing the way that she does and that's really just going to be worse for her voice in the long run.
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Old 21st August 2008, 03:58 AM
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wow.. Hikki does have a strong voice. it wld really be very difficult to sing this song.
this was the first time I hear Hikki sing in english. also the first time to hear this style of music that Hikki has. It seems great. =)
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Old 21st August 2008, 04:47 AM
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I don't really get why everyone thinks Utada Hikaru's voice is strong. To me, it always sounds like she's about to pass out or something when she sings. She also tends to write songs that seem too high for her and she always strains to reach those "high" notes. I don't know, I just really don't like her voice or see how she's considered a "good singer". She's not the worst, and she definitely gets by, but I would never ever says she's "the best" or that her voice is strong. ^o) Utada and Otsuka Ai both sing in ways that make songs sound really sloppy to me, and that turns me off to some of their music. (Even though I do like them in general. )

I didn't like the live from the first post either. She sounded like she was going to pass out there too.
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Old 21st August 2008, 05:35 AM
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I don't really get why everyone thinks Utada Hikaru's voice is strong. To me, it always sounds like she's about to pass out or something when she sings. She also tends to write songs that seem too high for her and she always strains to reach those "high" notes. I don't know, I just really don't like her voice or see how she's considered a "good singer". She's not the worst, and she definitely gets by, but I would never ever says she's "the best" or that her voice is strong. ^o) Utada and Otsuka Ai both sing in ways that make songs sound really sloppy to me, and that turns me off to some of their music. (Even though I do like them in general. )

I didn't like the live from the first post either. She sounded like she was going to pass out there too.
I don't think you have heard much of her pre-2005 then. Watch anything from earlier stuffs and you'll be more impressed, I think..
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Old 21st August 2008, 11:36 PM
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I don't think you have heard much of her pre-2005 then. Watch anything from earlier stuffs and you'll be more impressed, I think..
I've heard all of her albums. @_@ And as far as I can remember, I did think she sang better in First Love (album, not song), but I'm still not really "impressed" by her singing.
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Old 22nd August 2008, 02:32 AM
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Old 22nd August 2008, 05:02 AM
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Well to ME, Utada is the Jpopstar with the most powerful voice...IMO... IMO IMO IMO... IN MY OPINION...

Other people might not think so, but it's pretty obvious that her voice is better than Ayu's, objectively spoken... It's like saying that that Alaska is hotter than Hawaii... We all know it's not... Lol, bad example..But you get the idea
You can't say something is "in your opinion" and then go on to prove your statement like its a fact. You are contradicting yourself.

And its NOT obvious that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's. No matter what she sings, I always find that her voice is just all over the place, and that she lacks control over her voice. Also, I would not agree that she has a strong voice.

However, this doesn't mean that you are wrong in your belief that Utada sings better, however, I am not a fan of her voice. I do like her songs, though.

Anyway, my point is that you can't say that it's "obvious" that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's, especially after having just said that you were only stating your opinion. The entire subject is a matter of opinion, no matter what way you look at it. Bottom line: Utada's voice is NOT better than Ayu's, nor is Ayu's better than Utada's. It all depends on what the listener likes.
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Old 22nd August 2008, 05:06 AM
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You can't say something is "in your opinion" and then go on to prove your statement like its a fact. You are contradicting yourself.

And its NOT obvious that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's. No matter what she sings, I always find that her voice is just all over the place, and that she lacks control over her voice. Also, I would not agree that she has a strong voice.

However, this doesn't mean that you are wrong in your belief that Utada sings better, however, I am not a fan of her voice. I do like her songs, though.

Anyway, my point is that you can't say that it's "obvious" that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's, especially after having just said that you were only stating your opinion. The entire subject is a matter of opinion, no matter what way you look at it. Bottom line: Utada's voice is NOT better than Ayu's, nor is Ayu's better than Utada's. It all depends on what the listener likes.
Umm, it's that person's opinion. What they're saying is not fact, no matter how you read it, because there is no way to prove who's "better".
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Old 22nd August 2008, 05:37 AM
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Umm, it's that person's opinion. What they're saying is not fact, no matter how you read it, because there is no way to prove who's "better".
She didn't say it was a fact... She said it was his opinion. o__o She was talking about how he contradicted himself by starting with "in my opinion..." and ending with "even though other people might not think so, it's obvious that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's" as if it was a fact. It was like saying, "In my opinion, salt is obviously better than pepper, even though other people don't really seem to see that. " (Okay, he didn't really say it QUITE like that, but it came off that way to me...)

Unless I'm just misunderstanding your post, I don't really see why you're telling her it's an opinion and not a fact when her whole post was like, "That's your opinion, not a fact"?
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Old 22nd August 2008, 06:28 AM
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Haha.

Well anyway, I would like to add that it is true that some singers are better than others factually, regardless of one's opinion.

Example: Hilary Duff vs. Diana Ross

Who is the better singer?

Factually: Diana Ross

Although people can prefer Hilary Duff.

So just keep that in mind with all this, "no one is better than anyone" stuff because that's not always the case if ever.
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Old 22nd August 2008, 06:34 AM
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She didn't say it was a fact... She said it was his opinion. o__o She was talking about how he contradicted himself by starting with "in my opinion..." and ending with "even though other people might not think so, it's obvious that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's" as if it was a fact. It was like saying, "In my opinion, salt is obviously better than pepper, even though other people don't really seem to see that. " (Okay, he didn't really say it QUITE like that, but it came off that way to me...)

Unless I'm just misunderstanding your post, I don't really see why you're telling her it's an opinion and not a fact when her whole post was like, "That's your opinion, not a fact"?
OK, I can't even understand what you're trying to say But everyone should realize that people's posts here are THEIR opinions. The original poster said it was all in their own opinion, so I don't even understand why people are quoting it.

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Haha.

Well anyway, I would like to add that it is true that some singers are better than others factually, regardless of one's opinion.

Example: Hilary Duff vs. Diana Ross

Who is the better singer?

Factually: Diana Ross

Although people can prefer Hilary Duff.

So just keep that in mind with all this, "no one is better than anyone" stuff because that's not always the case if ever.
Diana Ross has a crap voice, tbh.
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