[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread ~Colours~

[Andrenekoi]

^Read, read, read, do it again...

Nobody is complaining about people who disliked the album, people are complaining about some users who didn't like anything in more than half a decade and still show up to write long ass texts about how much they dislike her now AND about people who never liked her to begin with, comes to the forum to take part on the Asian Music Chat and only leave that part of the forum when there's a new release so they can troll.

[primavera♥]

I think they just get tired of the ridiculous people. I get tired of them on both sides, stans and haters alike. However, some constructive criticism and expressing legit personal struggles with ayu, I can get.

I know fans like to feel like they're being attacked for either being too positive or too negative. But really. If you just look at the other person's perspective you'll usually get why they may seem frustrated with negativity. It's usually when the interesting constructive criticisms and comparisons sometimes gets washed out by the rudeness of some people who literally clearly do not like ayu and just have all these unchecked biases, close-minded uninformed views, never look at the big picture or small details, too clouded by nostalgia (which isn't necessarily bad), make unreasonable comparisons with other artists, and don't want to see anything positive. and are sometimes just plain prejudiced about certain aspects of her life. Those people.

I've seen so many people here say the most compelling things about ayu's career and give thoughtful criticism. And then there's just the bs.

[Andrenekoi]

^Yeap. Nobody is actually fighting with the people who simply disliked the release. Nobody is even fighting with people who disliked the last 2 or 3 albums...

[ayuuk]

I haven't had a chance to come to AHS for a while and today I stopped by and saw this discussion... It's interesting to see this in an Oricon thread.

I feel after 2010, Ayu's team has been changed. The marketing is not as good as before. Even the TeamAyu magazine's beautiful cover design has completely changed. It used to be hand drawings that relate to a single or album cover, but after vol. 35 it changed completely. IMO her drop of fans also happened in 2012 and 2013. Public image, voice, and the poorly executed 5-consecutive release.

[Andrenekoi]

^Her sales are falling since A Best...

[My Rainbow]

Originally Posted by Yumsushi

I didn't realize that one could only be a fan and post here if they absolutely worshiped every release and everything Ayumi did no matter how poor they thought it was.

Honey, if somebody hates everything ayu does since 2006, he/she is no longer a stan, a fan or anything. There's no point in commenting about her or even come in this forum.

I come to this forum to get informed about Ayu and discuss about her, her work, etc. I'm fucking tired of reading bullshit. One thing is that you don't like a specific album, single, song, PV, cover or whatever, and another one is complaining about everything, every fucking time.

[Sunrise]

Originally Posted by My Rainbow

Honey, if somebody hates everything ayu does since 2006, he/she is no longer a stan, a fan or anything. There's no point in commenting about her or even come in this forum.

I come to this forum to get informed about Ayu and discuss about her, her work, etc. I'm fucking tired of reading bullshit. One thing is that you don't like a specific album, single, song, PV, cover or whatever, and another one is complaining about everything, every fucking time.

It's like going to see a movie and then you end up not liking it. But instead of leaving the movie after it's over you lurk outside the theater doors telling people how much you don't like the movie and how much you think its sucks and try to turn them away.

[NintendoHTF1242]

Your post is in the wrong topic, Andrenekoi. I was wondering why you were calling out poor Sunrise for no reason.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by NintendoHTF1242

Your post is in the wrong topic, Andrenekoi. I was wondering why you were calling out poor Sunrise for no reason.

Oh, thanks! It really is! xD

edit: Nops, it isn't, Yumsushi deleted his post.

[primavera♥]

I feel like some people really latch on to their favorites when they're doing well and then will start to drop them when they're not relevant or selling well. You know, trends. And then use that as a defense for the quality of everything, especially their music. And lose sight of anything else.

And so, "Flopasaki" becomes this beautiful target even when she's not even bad in many senses and would be looked at as better if trendy.

But you know, a lot of amazing artists don't sell shit so I can't go with that. And a lot of people don't. But I notice some people that have a lot of random hate to offer to certain artists seems to be that way while reluctant to criticize their successful favs until it gets too bad career wise.

Just a minor observation that I've noticed for a while.

It's sometimes that or just different standards for different artists which Deli mentioned earlier I think.

[emi♡]

lulz the long ass posts from everyone this past week have been the best discussions ahs has seen since like before I was even a member.

People aren't even being rude to each other.


But all of these threads tend to be umbrella ones that expand on different topics. That's not anything new. If you don't like their discussions, don't take part.


I wish the word "flop" would die. You can't even apply it to the majority of artists anyone knows about lol Honestly, some people think this stuff is ridiculous? Go to any other large jpop forum and deal with those trolls

[primavera♥]

I kind of like when people have high standards and will call anything and anyone out, including myself. Worse certainly exists. But in general it doesn't make anything here better. Thankfully though, there are no rampant problems in this thread outside of the obvious minorities. Like it's nice.

Off topic and all. But interesting discussions for the most part.

And we don't even know the sales numbers yet. It's great lol

[emi♡]

It's just like, I haven't even really seen that much crap. Maybe one or two people. But I tend to skip over that stuff. So like, when I see all these people complaining about alllllllllllll the bullshit everywhere, I'm just like "who are you even talking about XD"

But it is nice, because then yeah, the forum isn't filled with trolls.


ugh and these sales numbers. Like ever since whoever from whereever stopped doing it, it's so annoying to get them. I'm too lazy to go get them myself lol At least for other artists. idk about ayu people. They're usually on stuff.

[rikku1994]

Seriously tho, a lot of users her equate sales = "quality of music" , they call her lazy, flop and etc. Then still call themselves as fans.

Like everyone knows she's irrelevant? So? Now what. Complaining sky high isn't going to change that fact. Then they go compare her to Namie and Kuu who are so different in what she does, like why do they have to bring that shit up? And say that she needs to bring "the old ayu" back... Seriously that "old ayu" comment is bullshit.

Honestly, some "fans " are so fucking shallow that they won't even bother giving the new album a chance just because of the album cover/MV. I don't give 2 shits about the charts either.

[Delirium-Zer0]

I think the people complaining about trolls & haters are just overly sensitive. I'm with you emi, some of the discussion surrounding Ayu on this forum has actually been really interesting to engage in.

It's especially great for me because I'm totally in both camps right now - upset AND crazy happy. Yes I think Ayu is doing a terrible job with visuals and some aspects of her music compared to what she used to do, but at the same time I also think this album is solid and well produced and it's quite a relief to hear something as nicely put together as this album XD

I've never cared about Ayu's sales. I didn't like her because she was popular, I liked her cuz I heard my life & my feelings in her music, and I STILL like her because no one else has even approached that for me, even as Ayu's material got weaker in my eyes. Plus, even the songs I don't like much at first ALWAYS grow on me, and I can't say that about anyone else either.

Ayu still has a top 5 album and that's freaking awesome for her. She was so happy she cried when "Trust" got into the top 10 at all, why are we complaining about an album at #5? Jeez, perspective you guys.

[emi♡]

I'd probably be happy with a top 20 tbh, with all the bullshit that comes out of this market -_-


lol im so mad about it im sry. I can't even express my hatred.

[primavera♥]

@emi

I think we don't have numbers because it isn't in the top 3. Idk. Ayumisrael or brener would know.

But like yeah, even I have a habit of zeroing in on minorities sometimes. Or preaching to the choir. But for the most part, this thread really is good. I mean, around the rest of the forum, idk lol. But here is nice.

@Delirium,

I think some of us are happy that she's even in the top 5 lol. I was surprised tbh. But everyone has different expectations still really and that's up to them I guess.

[maikaru]

I dunno if some of these comments are directed to me, but I'm going to state once again that I am in no way hating on Ayu. It is a very different experience when I was a child and Ayu had released an album to now, and I can't adjust. I can remember now, Oh shoot! Ayu is going to have a talk show! Ayu is going to be on Music Fair! Ayu is going to be on SmaSma! She has a comment on CDTV! OMG there's going to be an event in Tower Records! We have to go to the concert! She's releasing a new best album?! GREAT!!

Now there is absolutely nothing, and I just feel like what the actual eff? Did she release an album or did I just dream it? And everything she did before used to look so professional, so flawless, and sound great (Besides ASFXX, but I still listen to this album) that everything she's been doing recently just looks like she didn't have time to perfect it. Even the TV lives, Kohaku, everything - everything feels so unprepared and she just was like "Okay well I'm just gonna do it, see what happens!" and it looks like the music and everything is controlling her, and not the other way around. She used to be the center of everything and that she was above and knew exactly what to do, but now, I don't get that feeling. But I don't know how to shake this feeling.

I guess I'm just overreacting because it's not what I'm used to, and I want to feel the same way about her and her releases as I did when I was younger. I remember when I couldn't wait to buy her single or album, and now I just don't even care... it sucks. You guys, please help. Ahaha.

I feel like I should send her a msg on Twitter.

[YUKARI]

^ you're not alone. I feel exactly the same

[Coelacanth]

I think we're all having a tough time adjusting to the super low-key Ayu who does basically zero promotion. And if she is on TV nowadays she's singing old songs... It almost feels like she has to remind people "Look how great I used to be!" when she should be up there owning her NEW songs.