[2007] This really convinced me! Utada is THE best!

[CoriKaru]

Haha.

Well anyway, I would like to add that it is true that some singers are better than others factually, regardless of one's opinion.

Example: Hilary Duff vs. Diana Ross

Who is the better singer?

Factually: Diana Ross

Although people can prefer Hilary Duff.

So just keep that in mind with all this, "no one is better than anyone" stuff because that's not always the case if ever.

I haven't understood anyone's posts for the past like 3 pages

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

I haven't understood anyone's posts for the past like 3 pages

Basically, what I was trying to point out was that the original creator of this thread was saying that they feel that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's, and its their own personal opinion, yet they would go on to try and prove it as a fact, using that Hawaii being colder that Alaska comparison. I just wanted them to realize that by doing that, they are contradicting themselves.

Originally Posted by Love Shine

Basically, what I was trying to point out was that the original creator of this thread was saying that they feel that Utada's voice is better than Ayu's, and its their own personal opinion, yet they would go on to try and prove it as a fact, using that Hawaii being colder that Alaska comparison. I just wanted them to realize that by doing that, they are contradicting themselves.

True. People should just state their opinions, give the reason why they feel that way, and move on. And others should accept opinions for what they are

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

True. People should just state their opinions, give the reason why they feel that way, and move on. And others should accept opinions for what they are

I agree. To be honest, I don't really get why this thread was created in the first place. Stating something like Utada has a better voice in an Ayu forum, is bound to cause an argument, even if people say "but, its my opinion".

[[kokoro♥]]

I prefer Ayu's live voice ._.

[ayumisrael]

LOL the funniest thing is to read how someone writes
"Everyone has his opinion but saying X has a better voice than X is ridiculous"

I love contradictions and people that like to make their opinions facts

[ville]

her voice is gold ;o

[CoriKaru]

So you want to play the word game? I see. I figured that. Nah. I'm not for that. Fact is fact. And once again. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Ayumi27]

Forgetting the definitions of fact and opinion, how on earth Hilary Duff can be better singer than Diana Ross? I mean, I don't like Diana's music, but no one can deny she is superior as a singer than any of those Disney-manufactured so-called "pop-stars"

I see a lot of people saying that "who is a better singer" can never be proven... is that true? Is someone really going to argue with me if I said "Mariah Carey is a better vocalist than Britney Spears"? I think certain comparisons like this are very much fact!

[Tom Punks]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

I see a lot of people saying that "who is a better singer" can never be proven... is that true? Is someone really going to argue with me if I said "Mariah Carey is a better vocalist than Britney Spears"? I think certain comparisons like this are very much fact!

Yeah, I agree. You can say it's only opinion to a certain extent, but can you really argue something like, "the average first grader is a better vocalist than Mariah Carey?"

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Tom Punks

Yeah, I agree. You can say it's only opinion to a certain extent, but can you really argue something like, "the average first grader is a better vocalist than Mariah Carey?"

Better vocalist is not a synonym for best singer. Singing is just not only about how much range of vocals one have, but also how they put that skill to use. It also differs greatly from what kind of genre the person sings. Sometimes just how the voice sounds is enough to make a singer incredibly enjoyable for crowds. There are also singers who don't have those incredibly Mariah range skills but they know how to add very unique elements to their voice/vocals that Mariah doesn't, and make their songs very entertaining. While Mariah has incredible skills with her voice, many of her songs are fillers or boring crap (imo, which makes this an opinion since a die hard mariah fan would probably say she has no fillers or boring crap in her discography), despite she having "amazing vocal skills". Plus, I know people who get irritated by divaish vocals, and prefer rougher vocals. Also, is it me or is there any reason why mariah only stick to slower Rnb/Hip-hop/ and ballad stuff with some upbeat pop tracks? I mean, she'd robably fail to entertain people who love rock or other generes in which rougher and more aggressive ocals are needed. So that parameter in my opinion is entirely subjective.

Enjoying music is subjective. Our auditory systems is directly linked to our limbic system, which is the part of the brain responsible for past experiences, memory and emotions. The way I perceive music is probably a little different from the way you perceive music. That's why there's so much variety in people's tastes over music and musicians and that's why we see some people here saying ayu is the best singer in the world to them while others will thoroughly disagree.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by dddaiyamondo

I see a lot of people saying that "who is a better singer" can never be proven... is that true? Is someone really going to argue with me if I said "Mariah Carey is a better vocalist than Britney Spears"? I think certain comparisons like this are very much fact!

Well it's true that Mariah has all of those 7 octaves and is a great technical singer but there are still people who think that britney's voice is better and like it more and it pretty ends the term fact for that.

A fact is something like for example ai otsuka is japanese (unchangeable?).
This is a thing you can't argue since her genes are japanese, thefore she is japanese so it's a fact.
If you say the Mariah Carey's voice is better than her as a fact there will always be the people who feel and think that ai otsuka's voice is better and then the "fact" turns into opinion since that's how they feel and think and the 7 octaves and great technical voice of Mariah can't be proved as better.
The only fact is that she has those 7 octaves and sing technically great and has an awesome voice, but not that it's better than ai's. It's better than ai's in the fact that Mariah has 7 octaves and sing great technically but it doesn't say ai's voice isn't better. As there are people that will think (since they really think) that Mariah's vocals are bad and won't like it and will like ai's and therefore will think that which makes it their opinion.

So X voice better than X can't be proven since there will be always people that will think differently so the much "fact" will fade away into opinion.
People though can't say "I think ai otsuka isn't japanese" because it's a fact she is, she were born to japanese parents and has japanese genes.
That's fact that no one can say anything about it.
It's a fact that Mariah has 7 octaves and great technical singing vocals but it doesn't make her vocals necessarily better than anyone else's.

A bit confusing =P lol.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh...aren't we suppose to be talking about Hikki's vocal ability or whatnot instead of spamming it up with people saying the smae thing over and over about opinions and facts?! Seriously, two pages worth of the same crap. Everyone should be smart enough to know the difference between facts and opinions. No need for people to explain it 10+ times. >_>

[Luv ~Venus~]

^Why would she go rock or another genre when her fanbase is mostly Urban? If she tried something like that it's prolly a career suicide. =/

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

^Why would she go rock or another genre when her fanbase is mostly Urban? If she tried something like that it's prolly a career suicide. =/

That was not the point of my post. I pretty much know why she doesn't try anything else other than what she does.

When people says: Utada is the best japanese singer, that's an opinion, and you can't force it through (I'm going back to the comment that quoted FunStyle's "contradiction"). We'll find many people who can't tolerate her vocals, who thinks she has asthma attacks and pulmonary emphysema while singing or that can't control her vocals well, or that she only sings boring stuff and find her voice irritating, while others will think she has perfect flawless vocals. People react differently to what they hear, not everybody has the same reaction to when they listen to Hikki. Even in paradox, we can see posts here of ppl saying that Hikki portrays no emotion in her vocals while ohers think it's completely different. Also, Hikki isn't an expert in every existing genre of music. She'd probably do bad singing certain genres of songs.

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

^Why would she go rock or another genre when her fanbase is mostly Urban? If she tried something like that it's prolly a career suicide. =/

Yeah, I agree! Mariah would not do good as a rock singer... I like her style now. So no, I don't think it's bad that she sticks to urban style!

[Luv ~Venus~]

^Oh I'm sorry! XD I was just giving an answer to your question.

[panda87]

she has a strong voice, indeed... but i hate how she sounded in Kremlin Dusk album version. omfg, she sounded like she was gonna die from lack of oxygen or something. i love the song, but the way she sings makes me frustrated... like, Hikki, you have breathing problems. its like she's forcing out the note that her lungs are almost completely deflated and squeezed out of air. i just dislike how her voice is nowadays especially how it's so unsteady. i'm losing interest in her sloooooooooowly. she just doesn't captivate me anymore like she used to.