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It's only in the past few years that fashion is finally getting aware of this and they are providing fur-free fashion shows. However there's still a long way to go. Also no they are not usually farmed in their environment. I never considered a cage as a natural environment as most fur comes from caged animals. Quote:
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Last edited by Raleigh; 9th March 2007 at 02:41 PM. |
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I would like to point out that YOU are making a *judgement call* based on YOUR values. "A right (people having to have a job in order to earn money, etc) doesn't justify a wrong (working with cruel activities for a foolish result)." - at least make some attempt at the subtlety in your righteousness. No offense, but who are any of us to tell someone living in China, working hard every day to feed his family, "You, you no longer work here. This is cruel, go find something else to do to feed/provide for your family!" It's unfair to push your ethics onto the entire world. Please don't counter with something as ridiculous as, "Well, then who can say murder is wrong?" - besides the fact that they are incomparable, such is the purpose of *laws*. They help to detail in a society (be it local, country-wise, or global) what is and is not "ethically" acceptable behavior. Sometimes societies agree, sometimes they don't. If we're just going to start saying people should stop doing things because it's morally offensive to *us*.... yeah. At the risk of turning this even MORE political, this is *exactly* what the U.S. does. Too bad I'm moving to Japan AFTER Bush is out of office /sigh -disclaimer- Anything I say is not MEANT to be rude unless I specifically indicate someone to be an ***. I appreciate the stimulating discussion! Quote:
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(And just for the record, I don't like meat, I manage fine hardly eating it at all,.. ) Quote:
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Also, the biggest luxury company today, LVMH, does a lot of things to support the environment. The last time I checked Jean Paul Gaultier was providing the company from which his mink came from. YES, they are mostly concerned about getting people to buy their stuff, but they also know that more and more people would like to know where their products come from and how it's been cultivated. ESPECIALLY in the luxury business which sells not only a product , but also a more ficle "luxury experience" and "dreams" these things are very important. (I have no clue about the seal issue , but I haven't really seen any seal furs being used by most major luxury companies either as it is probably too controversial. I do however know a few small brands selling it as it's still sold around here, but this is the country of whale hunting so it should be no surprise. =P ) Quote:
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THis certainly turned into an interesting thread, I think well just have to agree on disagreeing, allthough I think in the end most of us are against bad treating of animals. |
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It is unfair to tell such people to do other activity for their lives but it isn't unfair to torture animals? I disagree. I'm not the one forcing my ethics here, but you're making use of extreme compassion to justify something that is WRONG. When an animal specimen is about to be on complete extinction, the hunt has to drastically be stopped, and legal measures to stop such people of doing such activities is done. A good example would be with lobster hunting. Some people are extremely poor but have the material to catch lobsters and live of such activities, but there are times lobster hunting is legally forbidden. Such people suffer a lot when lobster fishing gets forbidden, and some even resort to illegaly doing that secretly, in order to have the money to feed their starving family and all those grand reasons you'd be babbling about, but end up being caught by ecological guards. So, in that case you'd spill all of your humane compassion and say the ecological guard is stupid? nonsense guy. Animal protection is a serioius thing. Now bringing back that to fur (I know you'd just going to say my last example had nothing to do with fur coats, I was making an example of ilegal animal activities vs social problems. a crime is a crime, it doesn't matter what your social problems are): Animal torture is a cruel thing and isn't justifiable even for poorer people, unless they have no other option to survive (people in an isolated cold mountain that have no other ways to have a protection from cold, etc). You'd be quite narrow minded to even think hunting would be the only activity those people in china could do to earn money. They resort to that because obviously, the money of their fur hunting comes easier than if they were to engage in other righteous activities instead. It is the same as what happen to drugs traffic. I'm closing this thread because you were nice enough to push it to polictical bounds though. It would get polictical sooner or later anyway
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♬♪aijou de nuritsubushite Last edited by ImpactBreaker; 10th March 2007 at 05:28 PM. |
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