NINKI index for crossroad - Page 3

**ayumisrael** · #1 17th September 2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

When u have only 1 bet, u r totally screwed when that only bet fails... I wouldn't be surprised if Avex biggest problem with Ayu was how much they depend on her.... this is not about "how much they love their biggest star", this is marketing, and considering a lot of stuff Ayu said and produced on the past years, the honeymoon between Avex and their most successful artist ended a long time ago... They are trying to make her less important to their anual incomme since A Best, so, it's not like they would be all that sad and depressed if Koda stoped Ayu's streak... actually, it would be pretty positive for them if the one who beat Ayu was also an Avex star...

I think that it would be smarter (if at all) after she has got the record and not right before that, it would be really stupid.

Also, they (avex) don't try to make her less important.
They still and will probably always try to make the best out of her along with the others.
She naturally became less "important" since her peak each year, like kumi since her own peak.

Kagome-chan · #2 17th September 2010, 01:46 PM

the Gazette <33

Go Ayu, good luck!

auss246 · #3 17th September 2010, 01:48 PM

Love that ayu's #1, but I'm so happy Gazette is #3, I love them also! XD

Mirrorcle World ～longing future～ · #4 17th September 2010, 02:01 PM

Yes!! Sugoiiii

kendelle · #5 17th September 2010, 02:06 PM

I really like both singles but really hope that Ayu takes the no1 for the first week. Kuu can have the second week! Haha...

I bet though, that Avex will do whatever is possible to boost sales for Ayu until the 51st single, especially with this JYJ controversy at the moment. They need positive media so expect freebies and *maybe* a secret live performance the day L is released to push it over the line. Something like that will guarantee her no1...

dreamland2.0 · #6 17th September 2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kendelle

I really like both singles but really hope that Ayu takes the no1 for the first week. Kuu can have the second week! Haha...

uhhh that spots reserved for L
XD LOL

I hope she can break the streak and then her single releases will be relaxing from now on...

inspire_rmx · #7 17th September 2010, 02:22 PM

so close btw ayumi and koda kumi. i love both songs but i hope Ayu can continue the No.1 streak. *finger crossed*

toniayu · #8 17th September 2010, 02:25 PM

thanks for sharing ^^
i come back to school and i will haven't enough time for comment in the forum but i will visit,sure~ u_________u
good bye~!!!
*crying*

Pieces_of_SEVEN · #9 17th September 2010, 02:26 PM

not bad, kinda wish it were higher...

Pieces_of_SEVEN · #10 17th September 2010, 02:33 PM

^^Wasn't ayu responsible for almost 50% of Avex's revenue at one point?

**ayumisrael** · #11 17th September 2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN

^^Wasn't ayu responsible for almost 50% of Avex's revenue at one point?

Yeah, that was in her peak in 2001 and also when sales in general were way better.

Andrenekoi · #12 17th September 2010, 02:49 PM

^Yeah, they do xD Even the release of A Best was they trying to end her peak, make the most money of it and get another new face as soon as possible...

In the end of the day, what does Avex lose if Ayu doesn't break Seiko's record? I can see where does Ayu lose (and still, not that important), but I fail at seeing what does Avex lose... But I can see what do they win putting 2 of their biggest starts to debut a single on the same day (they have a good chance of getting rival fanbases buying singles like there's no tomorrow), and I can see how can they take advantage of the end of her streak... Good for them she is a major selling force, but what company wants to depend on only 1 product?

**ayumisrael** · #13 17th September 2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

^Yeah, they do xD Even the release of A Best was they trying to end her peak, make the most money of it and get another new face as soon as possible...

It took them 4 years in order to get new face though. =P

Ironically though, I am... which was released after A BEST is the album with most singles (taking out re-cut ones or 2nd with re-cuts).

most of her albums since then were pretty invested to.

And all of those years when they worked really hard keeping her streak up.

Andrenekoi · #14 17th September 2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael

It took them 4 years in order to get new face though. =P

Ironically though, I am... which was released after A BEST is the album with most singles (taking out re-cut ones or 2nd with re-cuts).

most of her albums since then were pretty invested to.

And all of those years when they worked really hard keeping her streak up.

It took them 4 years cuz they need a lot more than just marketing and a big budget to turn a pop singer into the new face of pop to a generation :B They tried really hard with Ai Otsuka anyway (and she never showed much interest on the role xD)

And really, we can't really know how much of what happens is made by Ayu and her staff, Max Matsura inside Avex or the entire Avex... we only saw the numbers, but in the end of the day, we have no idea of what (or who) caused them

Over the years she also got her number of songs reduced on A-nation (and they gave her more songs again after that) for example... Of course they are not going to shot her on the head just to get rid of them... and considering I am... it's her album with the biggest impact on Japan, considering that even if Duty it's her best selling, I am... has the most singles and it's her album with the biggest amount of her signature songs... ironically, when they tryied to end her peak, they caused it instead xD

MissElin_ · #15 17th September 2010, 03:10 PM

Even if crossroad is a sweet song I actually think (for the first time) that Kuu have a better one with 好きで､好きで､好きで. But I will keep my fingers crossed for Ayu. Kuu can get the 1# spot later on when herself is on a streak or something.

Lol.

**ayumisrael** · #16 17th September 2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

It took them 4 years cuz they need a lot more than just marketing and a big budget to turn a pop singer into the new face of pop to a generation :B They tried really hard with Ai Otsuka anyway (and she never showed much interest on the role xD)

We can't really know how much of what happens is made by Ayu and her staff, Max Matsura inside Avex or the entire Avex...

Over the years she also got her number of songs reduced on A-nation (and they gave her more songs again after that) for example... Of course they are not going to shot her on the head just to get rid of them... and considering I am... it's her album with the biggest impact on Japan, considering that even if Duty it's her best selling, I am... has the most singles and it's her album with the biggest amount of her signature songs... ironically, when they tryied to end her peak, they caused it instead xD

Exactly, and since then I think that they developed a certain attitude like, there is their ayu, and their other most successful artist of the period.

Something like ayu+ai ayu+kumi, ayu+EXILE (excluding namie since her management is Vision Factory). It's like they will always ride on the ayu "horse" while they will also invest in someone else or try to bring someone fresh and new.
kumi for example joined to that since 2005.

njanjayrp · #17 17th September 2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

^Yeah, they do xD Even the release of A Best was they trying to end her peak, make the most money of it and get another new face as soon as possible...

Not since Matsuura's in charge ^^ Her concerts are still more expensive than a-nation and all of their other artist's concerts. They send her away all over the world to record albums and PVs, while only Ku got the similar during her per peak (and it was only for the PVs). Ayu's the only AVEX artist who got to shoot numerous PVs with huge budget even though she isn't the most popular thing in Japan and even at the time Otsuka and Kumi were more popular. If they are looking for a new face, they are failing badly ^^ So my question is, how is it that avex is trying to replace her? Yes sooner or later they will need another new face to compete with Kana and other new artists, but so far avex still has some of the best selling female artists Ayu, Namie and Ku and they don't really need anyone else, although more money can never hurt you

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Originally Posted by Bigtop

I'm quite nervous still because of the JYJ situation that popped up 24 hours ago...

I don't wanna sound rude, but take all the JYJ/DBSK talk as far away from here as possible, Ayu fans don't care and they are the ones buying the single, she won't have probs getting that #1.

Andrenekoi · #18 17th September 2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Not since Matsuura's in charge ^^ Her concerts are still more expensive than a-nation and all of their other artist's concerts. They send her away all over the world to record albums and PVs, while only Ku got the similar during her per peak (and it was only for the PVs). Ayu's the only AVEX artist who got to shoot numerous PVs with huge budget even though she isn't the most popular thing in Japan and even at the time Otsuka and Kumi were more popular. If they are looking for a new face, they are failing badly ^^ So my question is, how is it that avex is trying to replace her? Yes sooner or later they will need another new face to compete with Kana and other new artists, but so far avex still has some of the best selling female artists Ayu, Namie and Ku and they don't really need anyone else, although more money can never hurt you

We also don't know how much of ayu's budget comes from Avex or from herself, do we? As she never stated "oh, Avex gave me this amount of money to do this, and this amount to do that!" Some of her huge budget videos are more on the ego trip side than as something with garanted profit, like Green for example... If Avex is pumping Ayu with money, I wonder why her recent concerts seen to have a bigger budget than her peak concerts, for example^^

Yumsushi · #19 17th September 2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I don't wanna sound rude, but take all the JYJ/DBSK talk as far away from here as possible, Ayu fans don't care and they are the ones buying the single, she won't have probs getting that #1.

I didnt realize you spoke for all Ayu fans.
Not a DBSK/JYJ fan by anymeans but bringing them up is sort of relevant since the suspension of activities announcement. Who knows if their fans will start buying their stuff like crazy; its unlikely but who knows. Anyhow, don't forget that Avex is relying on DBSK fans aswell to buy crossroads. The sudden increase in preorders upon the anouncement of JJ's involvement is proof.

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

^I would find it easier to believe if there weren't so many magazines calling Otsuka "The New Ayumi Hamasaki" when Planetarium got big at first xD

Alot of people were calling Jasmine the new Utada and as much as I like her, how did that help? I don't know how Otsuka Ai can replace Ayumi or her achievments.

Andrenekoi · #20 17th September 2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yumsushi

Alot of people were calling Jasmine the new Utada and as much as I like her, how did that help? I don't know how Otsuka Ai can replace Ayumi or her achievments.

I'm not saying Ai Otsuka was trying to replace Ayumi or her archievments, but she was being marketed that way, anyway, as a replacement... The same way there's a huge hype about Lady Gaga being the "new" Madonna, for example