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Delirium-Zer0 18th June 2006 04:36 PM

Ayumi's Name is Ayumi... Read before posting about Kurumi!!
 
Okay, WAY too many people are posting about what Ayumi's REAL name is lately. Here it is.

Ayumi Hamasaki was born with the name Ayumi. The name "Kurumi Hamazaki" was used by ONE talent agency for ONE thing, and that was her role in Twins Teacher. She's known as Ayumi for absolutely EVERYTHING else, including life.

That's it.

Thank you for your time.

Dustie 18th June 2006 04:39 PM

Heh, I've read about that recently on Wikipedia. I thought it was still a controversy/mystery with that other/original name. I didn't know it was for one movie only though. But she was infact credited as Hamasaki Ayumi for Nagisa no Sindbad...

Qt Mashi 18th June 2006 04:43 PM

haha :yes

Norrel 18th June 2006 04:51 PM

They have been talking about it recently?

Hm,

I thought it was Kayumi Amaguri

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLlxQ...=Ayumi%20bobby

=P

immel 18th June 2006 04:59 PM

^A few recent threads has walked into the subject of her name on later pages.

Thanks for making sure to clear it up for everyone Delirium-Zer0

kirika 18th June 2006 05:08 PM

Thank you for clearing this out. But I wouldn't be myself if I didn't ask, where did you get this info, Delirium-Zer0? ;)

immel 18th June 2006 05:12 PM

Hehe, I take anything you say as given, I somehow decided to trust you.

@kirika I belive the source is herself, with what information she has collected and conclusions she has made throughout the years.

chocobo 18th June 2006 05:29 PM

i thought kurumi is chinese name of ayu used in malaysia or china...

marty518 18th June 2006 05:33 PM

Also doesn't wikipedia have the Chinese kanji for her name marked as the "real" kanji for her name? 濱崎歩 is what they say her real name is, but I think that's just the Chinese, whereas 浜崎あゆみ is her real Japanese name.

immel 18th June 2006 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marty518
Also doesn't wikipedia have the Chinese kanji for her name marked as the "real" kanji for her name? 浜崎歩 is what they say her real name is, but I think that's just the Chinese, whereas 浜崎あゆみ is her real Japanese name.

浜崎歩 is her given birth name, whereas 浜崎あゆみ is her artist name. According to my teacher it's written in the Japanese law that everyone must have a 100% kanji name.

For the reference, kanji is the symbols the Japanese have borrowed from china, in many cases giving them new meaning and pronounciation.

mishidabo 18th June 2006 05:48 PM

i've never heard of that law immel .. i have japanese friends who doesnt have their names with full Kanji

and the chinese kanjis were not borrowed from china.. china taught their writting to japanese and they just modify it ( like koreans did) just to clear things up

immel 18th June 2006 05:49 PM

^I didn't literally mean borrow, it's usually called that when a country uses words from another language. Thanks for the information though :).

AyUmIXx 18th June 2006 05:49 PM

her chinese name is written and pronounced in pin yin like this, "Bing ching Bu" (correct me pls with the Pin Yin..)

mishidabo 18th June 2006 05:53 PM

and about the Chinese kanji and the japanese

Chinese 濱崎歩
Japanese 浜崎あゆみ or 濱崎歩 ( its the same)

alternarist 18th June 2006 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AyUmIXx
her chinese name is written and pronounced in pin yin like this, "Bing ching Bu" (correct me pls with the Pin Yin..)

:P its Bin Qi (Hamasaki) Ayumi (Bu).

haha. alright. i have learned to accept that her name is Ayumi Hamasaki.

AyUmIXx 18th June 2006 07:55 PM

alternarist: thanks for clearing it up.. haha :D
same kanjis but different pronounciation..
therefore, japanese and chinese people are actually the same origin...

shinde 18th June 2006 08:08 PM

Ooh...before I thought that 濱崎歩 was used only because the 浜 from 浜崎 doesn't exist in Chinese, thus they used a homonym, which is 濱 and it means the same thing...and that they had to translate あゆみ into 歩 since it literally means step (other wise they can't translate あゆみ because it's Japanese characters). Thanks for clearing this up, I was so confused before.

Ryoko 18th June 2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by immel
濱崎歩 is her given birth name, whereas 浜崎あゆみ is her artist name. According to my teacher it's written in the Japanese law that everyone must have a 100% kanji name.

For the reference, kanji is the symbols the Japanese have borrowed from china, in many cases giving them new meaning and pronounciation.

I never heard that law, and my cousin is Japanese. I think that 浜崎歩 is possibly her real name, not 濱崎歩.

A lot of names are hiragana-only, they don't have kanji equivalents, so I'm not so sure about this law that you're talking about.

immel 18th June 2006 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryoko
I never heard that law, and my cousin is Japanese. I think that 浜崎歩 is possibly her real name, not 濱崎歩.

Whoups, I'm extremely sorry, I misstyped when writing her name, ofcourse I meant 浜崎歩! I'll edit my post immediately.

I'm not sure either, I was just quoting my teacher who lived there for several years, he's not from Japan though.

walking proud 18th June 2006 08:52 PM

Thank you SO MUCH for this. I'm tired of redoing the wikipedia article where it says REAL NAME: HAMASAKI KURUMI. I have to keep editing it..

evolution7931 18th June 2006 08:59 PM

how do you know she doesnt spell "ayumi" like this "歩美" ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayumi

devilayu 18th June 2006 10:26 PM

I am pretty sure that 濱崎歩 is her given name in kanji because she mentioned it off-handedly in a Hey! Hey! Hey! episode before (read this entry which is only in Japanese).

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次は濱崎歩さん、ayuの本名とまったく同じ字!
Next is Hamasaki Ayumi-san, who has the exact same kanji as ayu's real/given name!

Dustie 18th June 2006 10:31 PM

You know, it's soooo cool. They have all the fun with names, switching kanjis, writing it with hiragana/katakana... elsewhere it's soo boring >__>


BTW, did you notice Utada Hikaru has her name written in katakana? 宇多田ヒカル instead of 宇多田光. Oh, she's such a copycat! XD

immel 18th June 2006 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by devilayu
I am pretty sure that 濱崎歩 is her given name in kanji because she mentioned it off-handedly in a Hey! Hey! Hey! episode before (read this entry which is only in Japanese).

Next is Hamasaki Ayumi-san, who has the exact same kanji as ayu's real/given name!

That's interesting, I was sure it was "spelled" with 浜 originally.

Does anyone actually know for sure?

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Originally Posted by Dustie
BTW, did you notice Utada Hikaru has her name written in katakana? 宇多田ヒカル instead of 宇多田光.

She wants to be a k00l gurl.

btw, shouldnt it be 光る instead of 光 (hikari)?

nmskalmn 18th June 2006 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by devilayu
I am pretty sure that 濱崎歩 is her given name in kanji because she mentioned it off-handedly in a Hey! Hey! Hey! episode before

IIRC in some of her early acting stuff she was credited with the kanji given name.

Beyond the Sea 18th June 2006 10:40 PM

Koda Kumi's artist name is also different from the Kanji she uses in her real name.

devilayu 18th June 2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
IIRC in some of her early acting stuff she was credited with the kanji given name.

I'm sure you're right. I remember in the beginning of her (pre-music) idol video, there was a scroll at the bottom which listed her given name as 濱崎歩, but the box art had her name written as we know it today, 浜崎あゆみ.

truehappiness 18th June 2006 10:46 PM

There's also this one .. photo.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4849/ayu5ck.jpg

Dunno what it's from but it's her real name xD

immel 18th June 2006 10:51 PM

Can someone explain the difference in meaning of 浜 and 濱 to me? I don't know any of those kanjis.

There's also the possibility that the people who made the movies spelled it with 濱 by mistake, but that is extremely unlikely... hehe.

CREA.tive 18th June 2006 11:00 PM

^if i'm not mistaken, they're the same thing.

Dustie 18th June 2006 11:01 PM

Quote:

Ooh...before I thought that 濱崎歩 was used only because the 浜 from 浜崎 doesn't exist in Chinese, thus they used a homonym, which is 濱 and it means the same thing...and that they had to translate あゆみ into 歩 since it literally means step (other wise they can't translate あゆみ because it's Japanese characters). Thanks for clearing this up, I was so confused before.
I bet she found the current "hama" easier to write than the other one xD



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btw, shouldnt it be 光る instead of 光 (hikari)?
Seems not. That lil' kanji seems to have a lot of readings depending on the use. Plus, if there's that "kanji-only names" law, they wouldn't let her.

immel 18th June 2006 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustie
Seems not. That lil' kanji seems to have a lot of readings depending on the use. Plus, if there's that "kanji-only names" law, they wouldn't let her.

Very true, hehe.

@CREA.tive, how much the same thing? I know they're pronounced the same way, but are the meaning of the kanjis the exact same? Or is it like shinde said, that 浜 doesn't exist in chinese?

CREA.tive 19th June 2006 12:36 AM

^浜 does exist in chinese but it's pronounced as "bang" and it doesn't exactly mean the same thing as in japanese.

immel 19th June 2006 01:03 AM

^I meant the Japanese pronounciations/meanings, but thanks for the info.

LacusClyne 19th June 2006 03:21 AM

濱崎歩 is the traditional Chinese words, while the simplified Chinese words is 浜崎歩. Both are the same meaning, don't get confuse. that's all, BOTH are her names.

Ani_C 19th June 2006 03:39 AM

o_o i think it should just stay as 浜崎あゆみ makes everytin easier :D

Dustie 19th June 2006 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LacusClyne
濱崎歩 is the traditional Chinese words, while the simplified Chinese words is 浜崎歩. Both are the same meaning, don't get confuse. that's all, BOTH are her names.

Ah, that sounds like a good explaination.

BTW, What's the difference between simplified Chinese and traditional? Is it just simpler characters or does it carry differences in pronounciation/grammar or such?/..

kinix 19th June 2006 03:38 PM

Regarding the 浜崎あゆみ or 濱崎歩

濱崎歩 is the chinese name for ayumi
あゆみ is the hiragana for 歩
歩 actually means ayumi
so in japanese it's 浜崎歩 but they use the hiragana for 歩 which is あゆみ

ohsixthirty 19th June 2006 04:52 PM

damn straight.

AyUmIXx 19th June 2006 04:58 PM

Ayumi is means walk, right?

Dustie 19th June 2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kinix
Regarding the 浜崎あゆみ or 濱崎歩

濱崎歩 is the chinese name for ayumi
あゆみ is the hiragana for 歩
歩 actually means ayumi
so in pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~ it's 浜崎歩 but they use the hiragana for 歩 which is あゆみ

Actually her given name wasn't the problem, since it (as kanji) appears the same everywhere, the confusion was with 濱 and 浜.

CREA.tive 19th June 2006 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustie
Ah, that sounds like a good explaination.

BTW, What's the difference between simplified Chinese and traditional? Is it just simpler characters or does it carry differences in pronounciation/grammar or such?/..

same pronunciation. the difference is that traditional chinese is used in places such as Hong Kong and Taiwan. simplified chinese is used in the main China


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