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yamogi 28th December 2004 09:12 AM

why And Then is named And Then? Moments is named Moments?
 
I can't find out the relation between the title And Then and the song,can someone explain? also moments is the same.. :no

ImpactBreaker 28th December 2004 09:23 AM

Quote:

I don't know why I remember what I heard long ago
From someone whose face I don't even remember
It was maybe that the important things are unexpectedly nearby
And they are invisible

And he said we were born imperfect
So, in order to be perfect someday lalala...

When was I able to believe in invisible things?
Now everything is too visible, and I'm at a loss
A wise guy told something to ayu. She couldn't understand that when she first heard it but "And Then" one day all of sudden she realizes and can now see the invisible things that were all the time around her, the important things of life we usually ignore. That's kinda how I interpret it.

As for Moments thie Chorus of the song is strongly attached to the title and pretty much sums up what Moments are:

Quote:

If my life is transient like a flower
I'll be in full bloom by your side
And after watching your smile
I'll fall alone, quietly
A Moment is a transient part of your life in which you live certain situations.


The translations on the the lyrics in the quotes are from "masa"'s translations.

TeamAyu 28th December 2004 10:04 AM

Great explaination Impact!! I enjoy different interpretations of Ayu's work, cause I'm strange and have no life haha

yamogi 28th December 2004 10:22 AM

impactbreaker, could you also explain free & easy and heartplace

tommy96814 28th December 2004 10:36 AM

and then my fav song.

hana_sanctuary 28th December 2004 10:37 AM

Thanks for the interpretation, Impact ^v^

I personally don't like to speculate... well- at this point in time I don't want to speculate. Because I'm lazy. But I like to read other's explanations!

TeamAyu 28th December 2004 10:41 AM

I wonder who the 'wise guy' is in 'And Then' hehe, Max Matsuura? I'd hope not... that bastard, Gawd I hate Avex...

CREATE 28th December 2004 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu
I wonder who the 'wise guy' is in 'And Then' hehe, Max Matsuura? I'd hope not... that bastard, Gawd I hate Avex...

? bastard? why?
me don't understand :no

extepan 28th December 2004 01:46 PM

any1 has more interpretations?

Qt Mashi 28th December 2004 05:41 PM

interesting, i think there should be a sticky thread where ppl explains the interpretatioon of the song/PV :D

spacelion 29th December 2004 06:28 AM

Thanks for the interp.! What about 'A song for xx?' Why does it have that? Is it ' A song for..." or "A song for ex ex?"

ImpactBreaker 29th December 2004 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by spacelion
Thanks for the interp.! What about 'A song for xx?' Why does it have that? Is it ' A song for..." or "A song for ex ex?"

According to masa ayu made this song for her mother. 2 X because you use X in math as something "unknown", so ayu wanted to hide who was this song actually for, the first and second X are the name and family name. If you watch the CMs they always say only "A Song for......" and leave the rest blank, making it clear it's a song for "someone that can't be mentioned". To know why the song is for her mother you have to read the lyrics and read masa's article about the A Song for XX album in his website
( http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/ayu.html )

kristen 29th December 2004 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker
According to masa ayu made this song for her mother. 2 X because you use X in math as something "unknown", so ayu wanted to hide who was this song actually for, the first and second X are the name and family name. If you watch the CMs they always say only "A Song for......" and leave the rest blank, making it clear it's a song for "someone that can't be mentioned". To know why the song is for her mother you have to read the lyrics and read masa's article about the A Song for XX album in his website
( http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/ayu.html )

I could be wrong, but isnt XX the chromosome order for a female? It would make a lot of sense especially if the song is for her mom. Its like... A Song for a Female.. or a mom. Especially since your mom is what gives you your 2 x chromosomes...

ImpactBreaker 29th December 2004 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kristen
I could be wrong, but isnt XX the chromosome order for a female? It would make a lot of sense especially if the song is for her mom. Its like... A Song for a Female.. or a mom.

I think it would be really weird if she had put X as the chromosome...yep XX is the chromosome order of female. "appears" and I even joke with the name of the song sometimes saying "A Song for XY" ahahhahah. But I don't think ayu thought of chromosomes to make the title of the song...However I'm not ayu so that is a possibility to take into account since I don't think she ever mentioned officialy that "oh the XX means this" but by the way they mention it in the CM is more like "A Song for "??"", for who??, the X sound more like incognites (is this an english word? lol), something unknown.


EDIT: Since A Song for XX is such a negative song the X could also mean like someone went and marked the name with a X to show how they didn't like the name that was supposed to be mentioned. By the lyrics of the song ayu didn't seem so happy with her mother so the XX could be like when you mark something you had written and want to remove it but can't erase it so you draw the X. I dunno..... Just a bunch of speculation...


Quote:

Especially since your mom is what gives you your 2 x chromosomes...
One of the X chromosomes come from the father. There are 2 germinative cells and they both carry half of the chromosome content, so, in a female, she received one X from the mother and another X from her father.

lolo66 29th December 2004 07:40 AM

Isn't it suppose to be XY (chromosome-wise) if we want a safe birth? When it's YY or XX, it will be Down syndrome. haha (or is a extra chromosome?.../me checks medical site)

XX marks unnamed noun, that's my thought also, it's the general practice.

ImpactBreaker 29th December 2004 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamogi
impactbreaker, could you also explain free & easy and heartplace


I think in Free & Easy she's talking about liberty, freedom. The cover of the single with ayu ready to fight, the PV and the lyrics make me think that. However I'm not kquite sure what the expression "Free & Easy" means, is it really something like freedom? They also put Free & Easy near Heartplace in RAINBOW a song that talks about freedom and such, so I guess both songs must have a connection? I don't know. I need to interpret Heartplace better though because first of all "Heartplace" is not a real word and if I think of "a place in the heart" or "Heart Place" I still need to see a better connection with the titles and the lyrics so I'll read it much further.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolo66
Isn't it suppose to be XY (chromosome-wise) if we want a safe birth? When it's YY or XX, it will be Down syndrome. haha (or is a extra chromosome?.../me checks medical site)


hah this is getting OT but so interesting
Y is the chromosome responsible for determining the sex.
If you are:
XO - a female (turner syndrome)
XX - female
XY - male
XYY - supermale - violent, you can find a lot of those in jails
YY - hydatidiform mole, no human being is born out of this combination. Causes a molar pregnancy which can progress to a malignant tumour in certain cases.
The more extra X's you add, the worse the mental retardation, the more extra "Y" you add the more violent and psycho
Down syndrome and many other syndromes are disturbs in autossomic chromosomes, not sexual ones. Down syndrome is when a person has an extra chromosome 21, meaning they have 3 chromosomes 21 in their non-germinative cells, a trissomy.

gakkun 29th December 2004 08:48 AM

I highly doubt the XX has anything to do with genetics. O.o
XX is just a symbol you use to indicate 'something', I've seen it used in Chinese as well. So Ayu didn't make it up herself.

Selekta 29th December 2004 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker


XO - a female (turner syndrome)

A magical O chromasome? :P

or does that mean no chromasome...

what happens if you have only a Y?

or you get YY?

or XXYY?

or you get XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

TeamAyu 29th December 2004 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker
I think in Free & Easy she's talking about liberty, freedom. The cover of the single with ayu ready to fight, the PV and the lyrics make me think that. However I'm not kquite sure what the expression "Free & Easy" means, is it really something like freedom? They also put Free & Easy near Heartplace in RAINBOW a song that talks about freedom and such, so I guess both songs must have a connection? I don't know. I need to interpret Heartplace better though because first of all "Heartplace" is not a real word and if I think of "a place in the heart" or "Heart Place" I still need to see a better connection with the titles and the lyrics so I'll read it much further.

Well Free & Easy was basically written, and the whole 'Joan of Arc' theme done, to show Ayu's fight for freedom from the evils of Avex. They tried to destroy her, especially with the whole A Best thing, so Ayu put into lyrics her feelings towards Avex and that she would not fall to them. Well that's what I think ^^;; I need to think about it more, but yeah I just think it was her way of expressing her need for freedom and to rid herself of persecution from the damn record company. I never really thought about how Free & Easy and Heartplace are put next to each other on the album though, thanks for pointing that out haha. I wonder if her next song will be a power ballad as well.

kournikova 29th December 2004 02:27 PM

^^... dunno... coz moments is talking bout a some moment...
n and then is talking bout some suggestion.. i guess the title is like "and then what you say?" ^^


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