Leslie Kee SUPER...

[Didz-19]

Anybody know where I can download / view the book by Leslie Kee SUPERAYU or any other SUPER that he make? I also know there's an "Asia is One" Photobook....but not sure it's true or not...i would like to know if there's any available website to download the pic~

[BlackSilence]

um the Asia is One photobook exists but i think it's an old one, cuz i remember seeing GACKT's photo for that I think you can check the pictures on Leslie's website...?

[TeamAyu2004]

just goggle super_____ and his name, you will be able to find some stuff...
but warning, it is Leslie Kee, so there will be half naked and completely nude men, some of them (the porn guy) are just down right... not. art. (yes I said it.)

[ayuPanda]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

just goggle super_____ and his name, you will be able to find some stuff...
but warning, it is Leslie Kee, so there will be half naked and completely nude men, some of them (the porn guy) are just down right... not. art. (yes I said it.)

why are the ppl are all naked @@
THAT'S not art >,< it's kinda disgusting

[ExodusUK]

Originally Posted by ayuPanda

why are the ppl are all naked @@
THAT'S not art >,< it's kinda disgusting

you should go back in time and tell da vinci that all his art work with naked people isn't art but disgusting

[ayuPanda]

Originally Posted by ExodusUK

you should go back in time and tell da vinci that all his art work with naked people isn't art but disgusting

U don't understand me.... daVinci is a genius
Leslie Kee has take some Photos from Artist's they don't known in the rest in the World.
Or u wanna say me Super Manuel was kinda erotic or beautiful?

[Party_King]

Originally Posted by ayuPanda

U don't understand me.... daVinci is a genius
Leslie Kee has take some Photos from Artist's they don't known in the rest in the World.
Or u wanna say me Super Manuel was kinda erotic or beautiful?

ahhh.. just fun for me haha
no no... SUPER MANUEL isn't beautiful anyway...

but... in the one with gackt... he's naked?

[BlackSilence]

^ lol here:





it's from Superstars Asia is one

[susiowong]

Wow, I didn't know Leslie took these kinds of pictures. XD

Hm, while I think some of the SUPER photos are beautiful, I think there's a line between pornography and art. Some of the poses the men are in, well... they don't seem nearly as artistic as just pornographic. I don't know if that was his aim.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by ayuPanda

U don't understand me.... daVinci is a genius
Leslie Kee has take some Photos from Artist's they don't known in the rest in the World.
Or u wanna say me Super Manuel was kinda erotic or beautiful?

daVinci's paintings are overrated.

These are Leslie's art. They are an expression of himself. I guess he's just disgusting

Maybe Leslie is trying to make a statement about pornography and art. Although, I think it says a lot more about everyone else, that they would see things as porn first.

[isthisLOL?]

It's shocking how quickly people disregard sexual art as "just porn" and "disgusting" - and that "porn" and "art" seem to be different to many people. Porn IS a form of art. Porn is simply art that is deemed as incredibly erotic - yes, there's an industry around it and much is just produced for money, but the same can be said about music, film...still art, even if you personally don't like it.
And why is porn seen as something negative? It's a gorgeous thing, a great idea and I wish it would be discussed more openly and not be so banned from mainstream media. There is not a single logical reason to oppose porn I know of, if somebody could supply me with one that would be appreciated.

I feel like Leslie wants to provoke this kind of reaction sometimes.

[susiowong]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

It's shocking how quickly people disregard sexual art as "just porn" and "disgusting" - and that "porn" and "art" seem to be different to many people. Porn IS a form of art. Porn is simply art that is deemed as incredibly erotic - yes, there's an industry around it and much is just produced for money, but the same can be said about music, film...still art, even if you personally don't like it.
And why is porn seen as something negative? It's a gorgeous thing, a great idea and I wish it would be discussed more openly and not be so banned from mainstream media. There is not a single logical reason to oppose porn I know of, if somebody could supply me with one that would be appreciated.

I feel like Leslie wants to provoke this kind of reaction sometimes.

How I see the line between porn and art, is if the intent of the artist is primarily to elicit sexual arousal, then it's porn. If the intent of the artist is to elicit something more nuanced, it's art. It's just really hard to tell which Leslie is going for. Not that it's a bad thing, in either case.

I don't see porn as negative. My only disagreements with porn is the portrayal of violence against women (and sometimes men), but that's a whole 'nother topic of discussion.

[ohsixthirty]

Originally Posted by ExodusUK

you should go back in time and tell da vinci that all his art work with naked people isn't art but disgusting

haha, agreed. why does the human body have to be disgusting? just because there's nudity does not equal porn or disgusting.

[BlackSilence]

^ no but it's a question of aesthetics. Da Vinci never portrayed a lady or a man showing off all they have in ridiculous poses and bla bla....the gap between art and porn is well visible. Erotic stuff can be very beautiful if done in a right way, however in the most shots i've seen from leslie in this field, i can't say his erotic stuff is artistic xD For me nude body has to tell something more, thoughtful than "I am sexually aroused" or "trying to do that". It's very very easy to cross the line and go from tasteful artistic nude , to pornstar photoshoot with HQ equipment and good make-up....

Porn industry in general has no feeling in what it shows, it's driven by human instincts, biological stuff. There's no art in there whatsoever. Calling it art is just an excuse to make money and make people less pissed off about it being around. These days everythng can be called art if you wrap it nicelly in a smart phylosophy.....Porn industry does that....

[ohsixthirty]

Originally Posted by artcika

^ no but it's a question of aesthetics. Da Vinci never portrayed a lady or a man showing off all they have in ridiculous poses and bla bla....the gap between art and porn is well visible. Erotic stuff can be very beautiful if done in a right way, however in the most shots i've seen from leslie in this field, i can't say his erotic stuff is artistic xD For me nude body has to tell something more, thoughtful than "I am sexually aroused" or "trying to do that". It's very very easy to cross the line and go from tasteful artistic nude , to pornstar photoshoot with HQ equipment and good make-up....

but as someone already said...porn is actually a form of art when you get down to it. its all about what the artist wants to portray. maybe his work is pornography and art at the same time. i just don't like people dismissing it and saying its disgusting simply because of nudity or sex.

that being said, i am definitely not here to defend leslie's talent, lol, just to defend his right to create art in whatever way he sees fit.

[BlackSilence]

*quotes from the edited post lol* hmmm.... I dunno... Porn industry in general has no feeling in what it shows, it's driven by human instincts, biological stuff. There's no art in there whatsoever. Calling it art is just an excuse to make money and make people less pissed off about it being around. These days everythng can be called art if you wrap it nicelly in a smart phylosophy.....Porn industry does that....

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as for leslie.... I don't care about him anymore, because i just simply don't freaking understand that dude whatsoever lol i gave up on him lol

[emi♡]

Porn industry in general has no feeling in what it shows, it's driven by human instincts, biological stuff. There's no art in there whatsoever. Calling it art is just an excuse to make money and make people less pissed off about it being around. These days everythng can be called art if you wrap it nicelly in a smart phylosophy.....Porn industry does that....

Yeah, we call that kind of porn, "bad porn".

I don't understand why there has to be a distinction at all. Porn can be porn, and also be art. It's not an excuse. It's the truth.

I think people just want "porn" and "art" to be within their realms of comfort. Then they can say "oh well, this is done TASTEFULLY, so it's okay."

Well I'm sorry, making people comfortable is not an artist's job. In fact, I would think it's more their job to make you uncomfortable.

I'm damn happy with Leslie's work. He's trying to make people see and understand that this style is natural, it's an expression, it's sexy, raw, powerful, and fun. It's another side to a lot of us.

And think about the fact that he's doing it in a place like Japan. It's necessary and needed.

Hell. It looks like it's needed everywhere else too.

No one seems to understand pornography at all. It's not just about sexual arousal. It's about the representation of human sexuality.

I don't know about you guys, but my sexuality is not well represented by some Venus de Milo-Leonardo da Vinci-classical archetype. Thank god.

whatever. That's my 50 cents on porn.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by emi♡

Yeah, we call that kind of porn, "bad porn".

I don't understand why there has to be a distinction at all. Porn can be porn, and also be art. It's not an excuse. It's the truth.

I think people just want "porn" and "art" to be within their realms of comfort. Then they can say "oh well, this is done TASTEFULLY, so it's okay."

Well I'm sorry, making people comfortable is not an artist's job. In fact, I would think it's more their job to make you uncomfortable.

I'm damn happy with Leslie's work. He's trying to make people see and understand that this style is natural, it's an expression, it's sexy, raw, powerful, and fun. It's another side to a lot of us.

And think about the fact that he's doing it in a place like Japan. It's necessary and needed.

Hell. It looks like it's needed everywhere else too.

No one seems to understand pornography at all. It's not just about sexual arousal. It's about the representation of human sexuality.

I don't know about you guys, but my sexuality is not well represented by some Venus de Milo-Leonardo da Vinci-classical archetype. Thank god.

whatever. That's my 50 cents on porn.

I think I love you.
This is what I tried to say but I guess didn't come across.

[susiowong]

Originally Posted by emi♡

No one seems to understand pornography at all. It's not just about sexual arousal. It's about the representation of human sexuality.

Hm, maybe I have the wrong perception of pornography. When I think of porn, I think of it as being used only for sexual arousal purposes. Based off of some of the incredibly kinky stuff I've seen, a lot of it I cannot in any way perceive as art - for instance, bestiality, snuff films, and rape, and of course other things that I've really never wanted to see.

... Then again, the only kind of porn I've ever come across is the kind on 4chan. So I hope that's not what the majority of porn is like.

Leslie's photos, on the other hand, I can see how it can be seen as both artistic and pornographic. So my initial reaction's that it's simply porn might just be that, an initial reaction. The line between pornography and art on Leslie's photos is fuzzy, so maybe it's a little of both.

You guys have a lot of interesting opinions.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

I think I love you.
This is what I tried to say but I guess didn't come across.

Originally Posted by susiowong

Hm, maybe I have the wrong perception of pornography. When I think of porn, I think of it as being used only for sexual arousal purposes. Based off of some of the incredibly kinky stuff I've seen, a lot of it I cannot in any way perceive as art - for instance, bestiality, snuff films, and rape, and of course other things that I've really never wanted to see.

... Then again, the only kind of porn I've ever come across is the kind on 4chan. So I hope that's not what the majority of porn is like.

Leslie's photos, on the other hand, I can see how it can be seen as both artistic and pornographic. So my initial reaction's that it's simply porn might just be that, an initial reaction. The line between pornography and art on Leslie's photos is fuzzy, so maybe it's a little of both.

You guys have a lot of interesting opinions.

I'm only going to really comment on this because I think Leslie's work involves some kink themes...but first of all, it's quite difficult for people who aren't into these things to understand them and be tolerant to begin with, let alone see them as "art".

But it does remain that, these sorts of things do occur, and heavily, with humans. Of course some of those things are illegal, so I won't go into that, but when it comes to being tolerant, it's important to remember that there's a reason why these things exist. They do mean something to someone, somewhere. And to them, a graphic picture of some kinky act, for example, could be a part of who they are and incredibly important to them.

If it's an expression of who they are, and it's extremely pornographic, how is that any different from any other piece of art that is an expression of someone else's humanity?

When it comes to Leslie, I think his messages are loud and clear lol I guess he prefers them that way. I think his photos are pornographic, but softly so. They aren't really that graphic.

I kind of felt sorry for him when Super MANUEL came out. I mean, I didn't like it...Manny isn't my style...but it was kind of awful seeing people condemn it because of the sexual themes he included.

People even do the same with Ayu sometimes...I mean, like the disgusting ****-shaming that came out with Party Queen. It just shows how much many still don't understand and aren't tolerant with human sexuality.