Second CDL08-09 broadcast edits

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by maikaru

I dont really understand what the point of recording a flawed vocal to lipsync to, if she will make exactly the same mistakes singing live. To be honest about it, this argument about "oh they make fake flaw vocals to hide their vocals" is really, really stupid, and not logical, because then why wouldnt they just showed their flaws in the live performance???

But the point is, she has done it. It is totally proven that she has done it, especially in this concert. So I don't see how it is "really stupid". Why does Angel's Song not count here? I agree though that I wish she would just show her flaws in the live performance. I'd rather hear a flawed live Angel's Song than a flawed lip synced Angel's Song.

Originally Posted by maikaru

Angel's Song was not recorded for that Countdown, they took the vocal from a past concert, I forget which one it was. So she didnt make a new vocal just to deceit you.

As someone has already stated, this track is completely different from the one she did in 03/04. But even if it was the same, how is that not making a vocal track to make the audience believe that she is singing?

Originally Posted by maikaru

I asked someone in mixi if they usually record the first day of Countdown, and they said no, that he didnt think that they did, because he went both days, and he said they had the whole camera crew only on the second day. I dont think Over was a fact of mixing and matching the video feeds, because they didnt have the high quality cameras for the first day.

I'm not sure where you are getting that information from because I have personally been to the first day of a countdown live and they definitely do record it. I counted AT LEAST 8 cameras when I was there and that is a very low estimate. It is totally filmed, just like the second day. I would imagine they need to film the first day just for insurance purposes alone because what if something were to happen to the film or the sound of the second day? There would be no DVD release. Recording the first night is a back up. Just like they record at least 2 nights of Ayu's Arena Tour. I went to the AT08 the night before the final show and there were about a gazillion cameras scattered throughout.

I'm not quite sure why you are denying that they used footage from the first night of the show.

Originally Posted by maikaru

I thought you werent gonna to say these kinds of things, but I guess you did. It is your choice to believe that everything is lipsync, so do it as much as you like. No one can convince you, or tell you other, so it's pointless to continue to bring up the lipsync thing. It makes people angry, and it becomes a war.

I will admit that at first, I was VERY angry at your words, because they are really bad. In a forum with people who really support her, and yes, I remember you said how many times you came to Japan and you went to the concerts, so you support her, in this kind of forum, that kind of conversation is really hurting to a lot of people who really believe that she didnt lipsync.

End of the World, Heartplace, and the ballad section was not with head mic, and she sounded really really good, improvement over a lot of her performances lately, but I guess those are lipsync too because she doesnt sound horrible.

Now you are completely twisting my words into something I didn't even say. I really don't think I said anything that is personally offensive and never did I state anything as fact other than what is already obvious and agreed upon by most people on the forum. If you on the other hand have a personal problem with the idea of Ayu lip syncing and with people discussing it, then that is a problem that you have to be able to deal with instead of lashing out at people. Especially when those people are discussing something that isn't exactly made up or offensive or fantastical.

Originally Posted by maikaru

And technology came a long way since 2004. No one who uses head mic now will experience loud popping noises or heavy breathing.. they have new technology to stop it.

Not really no. Every concert I have seen where the singer is singing live has it and that includes concerts I went to in 2008. Even on the AT08 DVD you hear those sounds during Decision.

All I did was give an honest opinion for discussion backed by some facts in a topic that I didn't even start. I mean we ARE supposed to be discussing why changes were made the rebroadcast of the concert right? I'm certainly not trying to be mean to anyone, just trying to have a discussion which is what a forum should be about.

Originally Posted by emiko

^which just means that ayu can't sing in a pre recorded studio either...


People here don't think that lip synching makes Ayu a bad singer...they're just trying to figure out when she does it, and trying to say the implications of lip synching and video editing.

I don't understand what the big deal is.

Ayu never really could sing correctly...despite what everyone says about how great a vocalist she is...even some of her recorded vocals aren't that great...

Seems to me like...she has her moments when she has her moments.

Exactly. Thank you.

Edit: I also just want to add that Maikeru, you really seem like such a sweet, nice person. (I mean that seriously) But I wish that you wouldn't take when someone says something about Ayu that might be negative so personally.