Thoughts on COUNTDOWN LIVE 2007-2008 Anniversary

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by salutcben

I've never said i was going to hate her!!! My litlle "have training" part was because i WANT to have some great shows in the future, i don't want to miss Ayu like i did before for some american artists.

I love her, not this live, but almost all her career, i was just saying my opinion for THIS live, and generally for this year, but i've high hopes in her future and in the asia tour 2007 dvd's, because all i heard and seen from now about this tour is really good Vocally and globally, and it was un-editing tv news.

So yeah i will buy 2007 tour dvd for sure, but not this CDL, like i didn't buy CDL 2002-3 and concert tour 2000 Vol1, because i can't stand in front of my tv, or without the sound. Maybe i'm a litlle bit sensible from the ears. But for those ones, she had really good reasons, First concert tour, and huge sickness which was obvious.

Well, the DVD version will probably be much different and sound good to you, so why not buy it? This live, aside from vocals, was the BEST CDL she'd ever put out. If she put in the cross from CDL05-06 it'd have been EVEN BETTER.

And her AT07 DVD is probably SPECTACULAR as many of the fans here have stated who went to the tour, and any future lives will most likely be just as fantastic. Don't think that because of one two hour live, her hundreds of hours rehearsing has gone to waste. We KNOW she will put out better shows in the future because she's done it before.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

This is just one performance, and it seems that those of who who "have good ears" need to get your brains checked or something, because I don't see how anyone could be so..

But I don't think people are judging her just on this one performance. If they were, I'd be saying these people are crazy. But as several have stated, this has been happening and getting worse since Fall 2006.

[weix2]

oh come on people. you guys are way exaggerating things.

nobody has ever expressed that they think Ayu is coming to an end or that she sucks or she's failed or anything near there or they have given up on Ayu. please read carefully. they are just quoting from other random people or examples =/ also, i don't find it any wrong if people felt that the CDL was boring or it was lousy overall. it's afterall their opinion and you have no right to do that unless it comes to things like political views... bah. in my opinion, i didn't enjoy the performance so much so i skipped a few songs in the CDL. it's just like you trying to force everbody to like a particular song from Ayu. get it? =/

they just merely mentioned that the live vocal for certain songs in the CDL was bad. as simple as that. some felt that the CDL was ok. however, there are fans, like me, who felt disappointed once again as she has been constantly delivering not-so-good performances recently. that's why we expressed our views. BUT having said that, WE STILL SUPPORT HER.

no doubt her fanbase has shrunk evidently and i don't really know the exact reason. if i were to analyze from her performances, i guess it's really her inept ability to deliver songs in tune nowadays and i'm worried for her. it's just MY GUESS and i can be wrong. hopefully, it isn't going to affect her in anyways.

i guess all we can do now is to really sit back, and wait for another performance and pray that it's gonna wow us. if not, Asia Tour DVD is going to rock us for sure.

[hightea_xx]

everyone is so defensive and on edge about this. love it or hate it, it is what it is. why does a disagreement of opinions have to turn into such a big train wreck of bickering? it's ok to have your own opinion, but while having that opinion, it's also important to be respectful of other's opinions as well, no matter how different they may be from your's. you can attempt to convince them of your point of view, but personal attacks on a person's character moves further away from the point.

i think those who didn't like this concert have every right to their opinion. i can definitely see where they are coming from. some songs her vocals were totally off, mainly on the older songs. she seems off key, in my opinion. and i mean that literally, not as some attack on ayu's person. however, there were a good number of songs where she was dead on key as well.

why do is everyone being so forceful with their opinions? it's just a subjective judgment, there is no right or wrong, no true or false. we should all be a little bit more respectful of each other. we are all, in the end, human aren't we?

[Ayumiko]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Before I saw the CDL today and I saw the comments here it almost made me give up watching this CDL because I was afraid that ayu's voice was really awful as a lot of people here said, but at the end I watched it and could enjoy from ayu's vocals at MOST parts, not all, and I was shocked because it's not as awful as people here freely exaggerated. as I said not the worst but not the best, she had hard time to reach some notes at some parts and songs, that's all, but the worst live ever? worst vocals ever? Give me a break. I almost didn't watched the CDL and I thank myself for being stubborn and wacthing it 'cause it's enjoyable and if it would really suck bad I simply would just ignore it.

People exaggerate like there's no tomorrow and when some people agree with them they go yay so we are right!

I'm quite shocked at all the exaggeration more than anything else...more shocking than seeing that lady in black with the huge boobs and ass. Her vocals weren't good in some parts of the concert but some were good. When she doesn't sing good, ppl diss her for bad vocals and when she sings good, ppl don't believe she can actually do it and accuse her of lip singing.

Atleast she tried to put on a good show. She's been trying to improve herself...trying to dance more and that is very noticeable. Her dancing is much more natural looking compared to few years ago. Remember her first concerts? the way she moves around while leaning forward as if she have to go pee? The result of her trying to improve herself might not be satisfying to some ppl but atleast we should give her credit for trying. Atleast her vocals weren't like Leah's. It feels like some ppl watch the concert to try to see flaws and not try to enjoy the show. Some ppl concentrate too much on if she's on key or hitting at the right note. I rather see flaws than perfect pre-recorded like vocals. Its more entertaining that way...shows that she's just human and its not like she's known to be a really great singer anyways.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But I don't think people are judging her just on this one performance. If they were, I'd be saying these people are crazy. But as several have stated, this has been happening and getting worse since Fall 2006.

And that's what making the whole thing impossible.
People expecting ayu's vocals to get better (for them) so meanwhile when it isn't getting better (for them) they keep expecting and getting dissapointed again and again, which makes the expectation unrealistic and a big dissapoinment, 'cause maybe ayu's vocals won't be better than this?

I never had huge expectations from her and though I could hear some bad stuff happening with her voice, like she didn't reach some notes as some parts and songs for example, but still could enjoy the whole thing and even her voice in most parts. If it would be really bad as people commented I would just ignore that live, but really it wasn't as bad as been said here.
The opinions are right but there are big big exaggerations and big unrealistic expectations from ayu, which makes people be dissapointed.

[Kikaru]

I actually think Ayu's vocals go by yearly basis. I didn't like her 2004 vocals much, 2005 and 2006 were hit and miss, I thought part of 2007 was decent.

And Ayu, please please get rid of your backup singers, pretty please?

[PrincessAyu]

Originally Posted by salutcben

I was not saying this about your opinion of the show, but about the way you deny ALL OURS. I've read the whole thread, and your battle to have final word is a little bit overreacted. You're not acting for world peace.

If you don't want to hear our BAD thoughts about THIS show, so WHY DID YOU CREATE THIS THREAD. please. i thought it was THE place to express
our point of view, BAD OR GOOD. i don't deny that she had put all of her in this show, like always, but i said that I found most of this live, i repeat, boring, flat, and hardly hearable cause of LOTS off tunes during it, which i find unworthy for someone who has been a (mostly great) singer since 10 years.

You can see in thz Jpop collection that i have almost every live dvds from Ayu and i enjoyed most of them a lot, still now, so i'm not here to say only bad things about her. It's MY point of view, and maybe someone elses, so respect it and don't try to make us changing our mind please. That's the reason because i wanted to write my post.

You are right.

And you, truehappiness, you indeed want to have the last word here and the strongest opinion and only go <3 at the positive comments and slap the ones who comment negatively. You should've made your thread like "share good comments on CDL here <333333333"

You are pissed off with me for supposedly hammering on ayu all of the past year, well you know nothing. You think you're so big and fabulous here, well you're not. Yeah now I AM getting nasty, cos you push people's patience so much.

I was so in love with talkin' 2 myself/decision that I bought the single CD+DVD. Not that you know. So don't say anything, that you know nothing of. I also loved Together When... and fated.

And then there's people that go: People should just get over the "god! when will ayu fall? I hate her so much! and yay! she's failed! now we have bad stuff to say about her" stage.

I haven't seen people do that in here at all, and I haven't done that either. I don't hate ayumi and I don't want her to fall or fail, but atm she fails at singing and that's MY opinion and if you all love how she hits them notes right now, then good for you :s

Everyone keeps hammering on me, and what I say but if I was so wrong, no one would share my opinion. But salutcben and others I have quoted earlier also share such opinions.

The first few lines of ben's post are so true, and I totally agree. That's what ticks me off. I haven't said ayu sucked ass or that she is a failure and I hate her. But I know posting this actually has no point..... because you won't see things any other way than your way. It's great you're all such huge fans to support her in good and bad. But I am a pure music fan and atm it's not as good as it ever was. That's my comment. I commented on the CDL and it was negative, just like some others. And then you, truehappiness come and go "oh but ayu blablabla" or whatever. Some higher value answer than others, as always. As if you know everything. That annoys me and that's why I'm nasty now. So don't go blabla at me that I am insulting ayu and whatever. I haven't attacked anyone, nor ayu. I stated my opinion. This is really the last I'm gonna say about it cos it's no use with you anyway.

[truehappiness]

@ParaParaAkuma: Yeah, I guess so.

But things just get so heated when it comes to Ayu! :O

You are right.

And you, truehappiness, you indeed want to have the last word here and the strongest opinion and only go <3 at the positive comments and slap the ones who comment negatively. You should've made your thread like "share good comments on CDL here <333333333"

You are pissed off with me for supposedly hammering on ayu all of the past year, well you know nothing. You think you're so big and fabulous here, well you're not. Yeah now I AM getting nasty, cos you push people's patience so much.

But I'm not big and fabulous here. I'm just a normal user at AHS with stuff to say.

Now to go off to find evidence!

[PrincessAyu]

they sure do.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by PrincessAyu

Seeing this concert confirms her time is over. It's all bland and boring now. She's done everything like this already. Custome stuff, dancer stuff, everything. I'm bored with her.

Originally Posted by PrincessAyu

The first few lines of ben's post are so true, and I totally agree. That's what ticks me off. I haven't said ayu sucked ass or that she is a failure and I hate her. But I know posting this actually has no point..... because you won't see things any other way than your way.

Stop contradicting yourself.

And I think that I myself would know that most of my opinions are formed based on others' opinions, and it's not just like, "OMG LIEK I R RIGHT SO I WILL KILL U WITH THIZ."

Ugh, I'm looking for more stuff to quote. :|

Originally Posted by UHPlus

did she accidentally drunk detergents when she's off stage?

What does this have to do with her singing voice? :| And a lot of people consistently say that she needs "vocal training.." What if this IS her with vocal training? Then what?

Originally Posted by UHPlus

for ayumi, nothing beautiful comes out of her mouth that are not edited or altered with...

....:| And what is this?!

[salutcben]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Stop contradicting yourself.

And I think that I myself would know that most of my opinions are formed based on others' opinions, and it's not just like, "OMG LIEK I R RIGHT SO I WILL KILL U WITH THIZ."

Ugh, I'm looking for more stuff to quote. :|

Yeah i think quoting and replying is the best thing you do, i'm not surprised about your post count anymore, i see the reason now.

Aren't you the type to get people on the right way, or should i say your way. In case you're not aware since 2003 as i see, it's a FORUM, and we all post our thoughts and opinions. Isn't it the right thing to do??

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by salutcben

Yeah i think quoting and replying is the best thing you do, i'm not surprised about your post count anymore, i see the reason now.

Aren't you the type to get people on the right way, or should i say your way. In case you're not aware since 2003 as i see, it's a FORUM, and we all post our thoughts and opinions. Isn't it the right thing to do??

Yes, but it seems that some of the "opinions" here are unjust.

Quoting and replying is the only way to SAY anything on this forum. Jeez. LOL My postcount is high because I like discussing Ayu. What's wrong with that?

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

And that's what making the whole thing impossible.
People expecting ayu's vocals to get better (for them) so meanwhile when it isn't getting better (for them) they keep expecting and getting dissapointed again and again, which makes the expectation unrealistic and a big dissapoinment, 'cause maybe ayu's vocals won't be better than this?

But really, what's this "for them" stuff about? I don't think even the biggest Ayu apologist would say that her live vocals this year improved or even stayed at the same level as the previous year. I think it's fine for fans to worry about her live vocals; something obviously caused them to worsen and Ayu is hopefully doing her best to figure it out. It's always great that Ayu puts such emotion into her performances, but if she doesn't fix this problem before she completely blows her voice out, that's going to be a moot point.

[weix2]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But really, what's this "for them" stuff about? I don't think even the biggest Ayu apologist would say that her live vocals this year improved or even stayed at the same level as the previous year. I think it's fine for fans to worry about her live vocals; something obviously caused them to worsen and Ayu is hopefully doing her best to figure it out. It's always great that Ayu puts such emotion into her performances, but if she doesn't fix this problem before she completely blows her voice out, that's going to be a moot point.

true enough. can the moderator do something about this topic? it's really getting out of hand. it's obvious that there are people here trying to have personal attacks now =/

whatever contradictions there might be, as long as there's ayu in the heart... that's all it matters and i'm sure everybody here has that so quit putting people down already in what they are saying. STOP! =/

[salutcben]

Originally Posted by weix2

true enough. can the moderator do something about this topic? it's really getting out of hand. it's obvious that there are people here trying to have personal attacks now =/

whatever contradictions there might be, as long as there's ayu in the heart... that's all it matters and i'm sure everybody here has that so quit putting people down already in what they are saying. STOP! =/

Yeah i really would like to see this thread closed. Or at least change the title, because our thoughts has never been welcomed here. Thanks

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But really, what's this "for them" stuff about? I don't think even the biggest Ayu apologist would say that her live vocals this year improved or even stayed at the same level as the previous year. I think it's fine for fans to worry about her live vocals; something obviously caused them to worsen and Ayu is hopefully doing her best to figure it out. It's always great that Ayu puts such emotion into her performances, but if she doesn't fix this problem before she completely blows her voice out, that's going to be a moot point.

The "for them" part is about because there are people that can still actually enjoy those vocals and don't think that they're the worst.

I don't think ayu's vocals were the best, but it was enough that I could actually enjoy most of the concert.
There might not be any problem with her vocals, we might have a problem with them .
Except for the off key comments which I agree with and some were exaggerative as well.

There can be better than what she gave vocally, but really it wasn't the worst or as bad as people commented here.

[octocoffee]

I'm agreeing with weix2. This topic definitely needs to be closed. No one is getting anything out of this argument. Unless you count bickering as something important.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

But really, what's this "for them" stuff about? I don't think even the biggest Ayu apologist would say that her live vocals this year improved or even stayed at the same level as the previous year. I think it's fine for fans to worry about her live vocals; something obviously caused them to worsen and Ayu is hopefully doing her best to figure it out. It's always great that Ayu puts such emotion into her performances, but if she doesn't fix this problem before she completely blows her voice out, that's going to be a moot point.

Even I wouldn't say she's gotten "better" this year. I know that the vocals in CDL07-08 weren't good. But the thing is, some people seemed to believe that because there are people who say this concert was fine,

but i'm just damn frustrated about some ayumi fans being so blinded as to constantly denying that she's sings perfectly well when ayumi is way off-key or out of tune ...and when she's obviously not sing live...ppl insisting she is...

they think that the people who DO think positively about the live believe "that she sang perfectly" like an angel, when that is FAR from what she actually is putting out. NO ONE is saying that her vocals were perfect. NO ONE.

I think the topic should still remain, but with the 2nd half of it sent to the Trash. :|

[Bad Wolf]

Or at least change the title, because our thoughts has never been welcomed here.

Of course thoughts have been welcome, both for and against. But you can't expect someone NOT to contest what you say and engage you in a debate about it. THAT'S what a forum is about, too.